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ok, just went to see the B/A banner at the www.televisionwithoutpity.com forums.

My reaction?

Initial: Bleh. Grow up. Don't waste your money. Jane E. said the Buffy/Spike love story is her favorite plot arc, hah!

Belated, hidden: **fear builds deep in heart that somehow, somewhere, Joss will see this, and against all logic and rationality change his mind, and have Angel get back with Buffy, and it will be horrible for so many many reasons oh please make it stop!!!!**

Third: Bleh. Grow up. Spend your money on SaveFarscape! banners instead.

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The thing that makes me worry the most is that Joss is gonna end a 7 yr run of a feminist show with the star having to choose a MAN to be with. Pheh. I don't want her with either one of them. I would rather have a Xena like ending than that. Or you know, everyone dying. Cause I'm callous and strange. Then we can have a movie years from now where Buffy and Angel get together and break more kitchen tables having sex. And Spike can be with the one woman he really wants, the only one who understands him. Anya. Shut up. It could happen.

The thing that makes me worry the most is that Joss is gonna end a 7 yr run of a feminist show with the star having to choose a MAN to be with.

I think that's a valid complaint. Actually, if the show left with B&S in the same relationship they have going now (tentative friendship & comeraderie, complete trust, and mild sexual tension) I'd be very happy.

But as far as being feminist, I think re-affirming her eternal love for Angel would be the worst ending for a feminist show. Unless Angel's going to get his soul fixed right now and stay in sunnydale fightig by her side forever. Otherwise, it says she should put aside potential happiness in future relationships to live a life of celibacy devoted to her true love for the man she can never have. BulllllSHIT.

Or you know, everyone dying. Cause I'm callous and strange.

Well,

kimberly_a did say that the only way she'd like a reunion was if B/A got together and then Spike was so upset he went crazy and killed everyone... I could handle that ending, in a horrified-yet-satisfied type of way.

And Spike can be with the one woman he really wants, the only one who understands him. Anya. Shut up. It could happen.

I've never thought Anya would be a good romantic match for Spike-- they're too much alike. They're both formerly eviloutcasts who obsess about their relationships and put all their self-worth and emotional security into one person, defining themselves through love and then being utterly lost if that love falls apart. If they got together it'd be like falling inlove with themselves, and they'd only pull each other further down.

They're much better and solace-sex-buddies and friends in sarcasm.

if the show left with B&S in the same relationship they have going now (tentative friendship & comeraderie, complete trust, and mild sexual tension) I'd be very happy.

I think I could ditto that. To me that's a real sense of maturity, and true realization of where you stand as a woman. That friendship, comeraderie, etc shows me that the relationship is growing into a healthy beneficial pairing for both partners and that is something that's really empowering!

But, you know, I wouldn't say no to a love confession of some kind. I'd just be equally pleased with either.

Are you saying that all feminists should be alone as a statement of their belief in female empowerment? (Not trying to be hostile.)

Oh god no.

What I'm saying is that Joss built this show around a small cute chick who can kick anyone's ass. And what it's going to be remembered for is if she chose a blond vampire or a brunette. Bleh. It would be FINE if that was an integral part of the whole. But as the key to the series ENDING? Why? What is that doing for the genre, hell, for TV in general, that hasn't been done a million times before? Some guy gets redeemed by the twuu loooove of a girl who forigves him his trespasses (again, this goes for Angel or Spike) and they wander off into the sunset. For gods' sakes, if I wanted to watch that I'd turn on Seventh Heaven.

I wanna see mayhem and majik and death and destruction, and Buffy realizing that she can stand on her own for a while, and be that "just a girl" she's been craving since to be since S1. And that she's still kick ass.

(I'd also like to see Spike and Angel go back to LA and realize that when Buffy is in her prime, neither one of them are worth her ass. Then they can shag one another into glorious oblivion with- er.. you know, I'm a slasher, butnot deluded enough to think that's gonna actually happen. ;} )

Hehe, well, that's okay then. I agree there is far too much pressure put onto who Buffy will end up with in the end, it would be a very Jossian twist to have it be no-one.
I'm still rooting for Buffy to realise she'll never be a normal girl (that there is no such thing) -- and that's okay.

And what it's going to be remembered for is if she chose a blond vampire or a brunette. Bleh. It would be FINE if that was an integral part of the whole. But as the key to the series ENDING?

I've had a mini-revelation here, and I think I see what the problem is here. If there is an Angel crossover at the end (I'm unspoiled), that would lead to a situation of "choose the guy." If Angel is not present or part of the series finally, and things with Spike develop normally as they are, then it will be scene as "an integral part of the whole", because the main thing in Buffy's life would be saving the world. Spike's always taken a back seat to that, in everything we've seen before, and I think if even if Buffy did have a gushy moment saying "I wuv you Spwikey" and all that, it would not be the defining moment of Buffyverse. I've never realy worried that it would, because I've always thought that one reason Spike's relationship with Buffy worked is because it did not conflict with her destiny (like w/ Riley), or overrun it completely (like w/ Angel).

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