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timepiececlock ([personal profile] timepiececlock) wrote2003-11-07 10:46 pm

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So this guy in my Aikido class that I often joke around with said tonight, "You are not tactful. You say exactly the wrong thing." His tone was sort of wondering observation.

I momentarily went all Cordelia!speak on him and replied, "Tact is half lying." Then I went to get my shoes. I came back and said to his confused face, "The other half is respect. So I'm half-tactful, actually."

I went home. I asked my parents, "Do you think I lack tact?"

They both wanted to know what prompted him to say it in the first place. I said I didn't know, that I hadn't thought I'd said anything particularly outrageous in the last 5 minutes. My mom pointed out that if it was unprompted, then it was rather tactless of him to just blurt it out with no context like that. Then she said, "I'm probably not the best person to ask, because I've been accused of that myself." I nodded a bit, because this was a bit true. My dad said to me, "Well, sometimes you come off that way, because you can be insensitive." Then he went on to talk about how this wasn't all that unusual for a 19 year old, but how I should try to be tactful because it doesn't cost me anything and it improves one's relationship with one's peers and relations.

Just to be argumentative, I said, "Why should I conform to how other people think I should behave? Being honest doesn't mean being mean, and I can be polite and still speak my mind." He went on, and I mostly stopped listening. Touche.

[identity profile] lin-lin-lucy.livejournal.com 2003-11-07 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
its okay....I actaully like to speak with people like you....Mark is another one....you two arn't afraid to speak your minds....I can be a little scared of you at some times...but never the less you are my friend....*hug*
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[identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com 2003-11-07 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
::huggles:: Good!

Oh, speaking of, friend, have you bought tickets to fanime con yet?

[identity profile] lin-lin-lucy.livejournal.com 2003-11-07 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
yes.... >_<;; its probally 40 dollars now...
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[identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com 2003-11-07 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
oh. That's too bad. Becuase I just recently found out that the anime club is trying to get people to sing up with them to go, and the tickets will be free. I got Heather O'Hare to sign up. Did you know that she goes to de anza now? I jsut saw her a few days ago.

[identity profile] lin-lin-lucy.livejournal.com 2003-11-07 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I never really knew her.......WTF?!?! FREEE?!?!?!?!!

*flop flop*.....
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[identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com 2003-11-07 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeppers. I was pretty excited about it. They have some kind of group deal thing happening.

[identity profile] lin-lin-lucy.livejournal.com 2003-11-07 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
BAH!

[identity profile] xanphibian.livejournal.com 2003-11-08 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
*dies at your icon*

*smooch*

[identity profile] mrthursday.livejournal.com 2003-11-08 12:58 am (UTC)(link)

It's better to be honest and polite than sincere and tactful if you see what I mean.
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[identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com 2003-11-08 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Did you mean to say "insincere"?

[identity profile] mrthursday.livejournal.com 2003-11-09 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
yes..no...sort of. I meant sincere in the following sense...
Like the Japanese I draw a distinction between sincerity and honesty. A Person can be sincere without being honest, it just takes a modicum of acting ability or social grace. In some cultures this ability is more heavily prized than honesty (or put another way, sounding like you telling the truth is more highly regarded than actually telling the truth). But I don't think so.
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[identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com 2003-11-09 09:51 am (UTC)(link)
But that's not sincerity. That's false sincerity. Sincere means... sincere. You can look sincere and fake sincere, just like you can fake honesty. But it's still not honesty, because it's not true.

[identity profile] mrthursday.livejournal.com 2003-11-09 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)

Not strictly true. For example see definition under;
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/sincerity

Honesty isn't the first definiton, it's the third. Also under..

http://www.realdictionary.com/S/dir/sincerity.asp

Sincere is just how it sounds, not if the statement is absloutely true. In various cultures around the world (for example the Japanese) sincerity is valued over honesty. You can tell a bare face lie as long as you sound sincere. So no, I don't think being sincere and being hoest are the same thing. You can be sincere without having to be honest. It's a trait I despise but some people think is a good thing.
To be honest is better than to be sincere.
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[identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com 2003-11-09 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
well, here's what another online dicitonary says:

1 a : free of dissimulation : HONEST b : free from adulteration : PURE
2 : marked by genuineness : TRUE
- sin·cere·ly adverb
- sin·cere·ness noun
synonyms SINCERE, WHOLEHEARTED, HEARTFELT, HEARTY, UNFEIGNED mean genuine in feeling. SINCERE stresses absence of hypocrisy, feigning, or any falsifying embellishment or exaggeration
. WHOLEHEARTED suggests sincerity and earnest devotion without reservation or misgiving . HEARTFELT suggests depth of genuine feeling outwardly expressed . HEARTY suggests honesty, warmth, and exuberance in displaying feeling . UNFEIGNED stresses spontaneity and absence of pretense .


at: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

The above definition is how I've always considered it to be defined. "Sincerity" has more emotional tones than "honesty," but they're very close. I still disagree that a facade can still be called sincerity. It can't.

You can tell a bare face lie as long as you sound sincere.

You may sound sincere but what you are is insincere. Feigning sincerity makes you the exact opposite of sincere, by very definition.

Also, I don't think that sincerity always connotates seriousness. You can be sincere and not be serious at all. The measure of sincerity is the measure of the genuineness of your feelings, not the seriousness of them.

Then again, we're looking from two sides of the Atlantic here...?