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April 27th, 2005 -- FanFiction.Net would like to address a growing problem. For whatever reason, some writers feel it's okay to copy-n-paste musical lyrics they have not written into their fiction. If you did not write it, do not post it. This has always been our policy. Please remove these entries immediately to avoid account closure.

Um...wow. Okay.

"If you did not write it, do not post it."

By that rule taken not much farther, fanfiction itself is unadmissable.

Also, cutting out songfics? WTF? I mean... that's a fanfic trend I've long since grown out of, but you can't take that away. That's an integral part of the fanfiction community.

So if not songs... what's next? What about quotes of famous authors/movies/speeches at the beginning of the chapter?

What about fanfiction where you transcribe your own version of a given scene? It's not your dialouge, so does that count?

What if you use a song lyric for a chapter title?

::shakes head::

This seems unreal. The ff.net maintainers had to have known about songfic for ages. But worse than that, this really would hurt fics like

sidewalksg's Leadbelly, and other fics that quote lyrics often in the beginning or end of stories, but aren't actually songfics.

I'd say this was a joke, except... well, it does seem to be right there on the ff.net front page.

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That place gets dumber and dumber every single update. Are they going to start booting previous fics? I always credit any song lyrics I use. I don't see the problem as long as credit's assigned. Like you said ... um ... fanfiction.net.

::shakes head::

I always credit any song lyrics I use.

Same here.

And I also just realized that means I would have to remove every single piece of fic I've ever written and posted, almost. I have song lyrics at the beginning of 95 percent of them.

Me too!

If it's not quoted, it's often in chapter titles or the fic title itself. I like to incorporate music into my fic in little ways.

It's fucked up.

I can see them saying "if you are going to quote lyrics you didn't write, you must supply appropriate citation giving title, author, and publication info", which is what I tell my students. If you cite it, it's not plagiarized. Has the idea of footnoting crossed their minds?

If you cite it, it's not plagiarized.

I know!

Jeez. I thought they were being silly when they banned script-fics. But now this... this is just nuts.

Oooookay. People have been doing that forever (well, not really. But, you know what I mean). And I've noticed a lot of times authors give credit to the artist for the lyrics in the disclaimer, just like they give credit to the creators of the characters they're using.

Crazy.

I was pointing at this post by an incredulous friend. And, based on what I've seen in published novels, etc, you need the permission of the author to reproduce song lyrics, even if you are still giving them credit. It's not like citing the written word, because what you are reproducing is not the written word, it's a component of a musical work. I will check up on this, as I have contacts who work in music copyright - but I think it's basically that copyright laws are different for music than the written word.

This makes sense - it does truly make a lot of sense - excepting that I still feel like, it's fanfic. Published books usually sell. Fanfiction does not. I'm not arguing as to whether or not it IS the copyright law, 'cause if it is, it is; but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And what about lyric archives online? They're all over the damn place!

I would imagine that most lyric archives online are illegitimate, but there are so many of them that it's futile trying to shut them down.

I would guess that ff.net are making a fuss because someone in the music business has seen something they don't like and is making noises and getting execs to make threats. At the end of the day, the fact that the fics are freely available rather than offered for sale doesn't make any difference - if they breach copyright, they breach copyright.

Damn complimacated, innit?

It's the same as their ban on the entire second-person voice. You can still 'unleash your imagination and free your soul', but only in certain prescribed forms. Fucking Nazis.

You can't use second-person voice?

I didn't know about that ban.

That's so...stupid. Like really really stupid. That's even STUPIDER than the lyrics ban.

I remembered ranting about this at the time, so I went to find the entry (http://www.livejournal.com/users/uiggu/10145.html).

July 27th -- FanFiction.Net Content Guidelines have been updated to reduce the apparent confusion of two rules:
Chat and script format are the same. We have not allowed chat/script format for years.
Choose your adventure and second person/you based are interactive entries. We do not accept interactive stories.

Because as any fool knows, second person voice = interactive story. Just ask Ian Banks. -_- Fucktards.

Aaaagh. Lame. I wonder if they've actually been told by an external source (or threatened by same) that songfics are violating copyright laws? 'Cause it just seems knee-jerky otherwise. "If you didn't write it, you can't post it"... like you pointed out, that's a really, really gray area as it is.

ff.net chased me away with the NC-17 ban. Not too many of my fics were NC-17, but I removed all my stories in protest. It hurt a LOT at the time... basically, I was deleting the online archive of HUNDREDS of reviews. But since then I've been so happy with that decision... who wants to put one's work up in a place where the rules of creativity are so needlessly circumscribed?

That was when I left, too. Or rather, when I was kicked off. Ahem.

Those people have made it clear, repeatedly, that they have no respect whatsoever for artistic integrity. The NC-17 ban (and subsequent deletion of thousands of stories and reviews) was straightforward enough. Anyone who continues to use fanfiction.net at this point is only asking to be mistreated.

I imagine I'll continue to do what I've done for a while now: post on both LJ and ff.net, and if they don't like me on ff.net, they can close my account. I'm certainly not going to cut out lyrics just because they told me too.

It just bums me out; I finally hit the 100 story mark.

Also, I wish there were another single site that's as comprehensive as ff.net, with a favorites system and review system, etc.

Sits like allaboutspike are great for single fandoms, but not every fandom has them and I long for another mass, multi-fandom archive.

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wow, seems very weird

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