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So I was arguing in the Harry/Ginny versus Harry/Luna debate thread at fictionalley.org, and complaining about Ginny's lack of character development as one of the reasons I don't ship her with Harry. I said basically that she has no defining personality, not like the other characters in the books do.

Anyway, someone said this in response:

"I guess you don't have a strong opinion of JKR's abilities, Rashaka. She's been developed in great detail."

I started laughing out loud at my computer, despite my recent sicknesss/couging today. I couldn't help it. I wanted really badly to retort "No, point of fact I don't, but you don't want to get me started on that, and I don't think it's part of the Ginny developement issue anyway."

I'm not going to say it though. Because they'd jump on me if I said "You know, I enjoy the books too, but face reality folks she still only a mediocre beginner writer."

Definitely, definitely not going to say that.

It occurs to me that for HP fandom I'm the equivalent of the people who watched every season 7 Buffy episode even though they hated it, and spent all their time bitching about the glory days and fighting over ships/characters "gone astray" and how quality was lost... except without the glory days part.

Am I the only person in HP fandom who likes the characters and storyline and mildly enjoys the books, but who doesn't praise JKRowling to the point of Josshood? Because I really, really don't. In fact, the idea makes me giggle with disbelief.

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HEE.

Please, please do.

::bounces, sticks out tongue a la pre-Chip Spike::

It would be FUUUUUUUUUUN!

Maybe. But at least 3 of the mods over there already have me on their list. I'm trying to be all PC and stuff. I just edited my post while you were commenting, by the way. ::looks up::

meh I have to agree that we really haven't seen that much of Ginny, her bit in COS and then she was just sorta there until OotP though I thought we saw a lot of her in that book. I see equal canon support for either really. I like Harry/Ginny because of what I extrapolate from canon about the characters but I don't really think Harry was very shippy by the end of the book anyway, and if he was I think Luna has as good of shot as any.

The sad truth about both our ships is that Harry is as romantic as a stack of bricks.

Am I the only person in HP fandom who likes the characters and storyline and mildly enjoys the books, but who doesn't praise JKRowling to the point of Josshood? Because I really, really don't. In fact, the idea makes me giggle with disbelief.

I'm with ya, sweetie. Although, I don't know if I really count as part of the fandom. I read and enjoyed the books, and I read the fic that goes up on my friends list, but I'm not really active in anything... I did start a mini-kerfuffle by being offended that Stephen King praised HP over His Dark Materials.

"You know, I enjoy the books too, but face reality folks she still only a mediocre beginner writer."

That's exactly how I feel about it, which somehow makes me a literary snob who disdains HP just because it's popular. :o

I'm with ya, sweetie. Although, I don't know if I really count as part of the fandom.

::hugs you:: I am somewhat active in fandom, though really only from a shipper perspective. I don't do much else.

I did start a mini-kerfuffle by being offended that Stephen King praised HP over His Dark Materials.

I've never read His Dark Materials, though I did read the SK review of HP book 5. I agreed with him that for the most part, what JKR lacks in writing quality she makes up in creativity. And she's slowly getting better.

That's exactly how I feel about it, which somehow makes me a literary snob who disdains HP just because it's popular.

I have a feeling that she's going to keep writing after the HP books are done, be it with that same verse or a new world altogether. She's still young enough to write many more books in her lifetime, and proloclivity is not something she seems to lack. So I think that her books 15 years from now are probably going to be better, and I look forward to that.

I agreed with him that for the most part, what JKR lacks in writing quality she makes up in creativity. And she's slowly getting better.

*Nods* And Philip Pullman is in his fifties or sixties, and has published many other books, some of which are fantabulous, but most of which are less great than HDM. Just how it works.

But everyone's rabid about something, I guess. ::shrug::

"proloclivity" was supposed to be "prolificness", or its equivalent.

Ah. ;)

Harry Potter over His Dark Materials??

Over my dead body. (*cough* If I were to speak in an extremely opinionated and stubborn way)

No fucking kidding. Over a whole pile of dead but intelligent and opinionated bodies. ;)

It's actually that not-too-complex writing style of Rowling's that I'm personally very fond of, it's fresh and to the point, if I can put it that way. Then again I suppose I generally tend to value creativity bit more than style; even in art. It depends.

I like to-the-point writing, at times. Steinbeck is a great write who uses very straightforward language. But it's not simplicity that I would say she lacks... just maturity of style. I would put her in writing classes. Not because of a lack of creativity (she's got that, as well as determination to complete her works), but because I think she could learn to write better. She's not bad now, but she's only okay. She could be much better, and the plot and characters she's created could be that much greater if the delivery was as strong as the content.

BUT SHE IS A MEDIOCRE, BEGINNER WRITER! If she wasn't, her books would be in the adult section instead of the children's section.

It wouldn't be so bad. With some work, she could improve the craft portion of her writing. Her ideas, I'm sure, must be good - which is more of the 'talent' portion of writing.

BUT! She thinks she's God's gift, now, and too good to have to LEARN how to write. She won't let people edit her books anymore. Just like Anne Rice.

When you think you're too good for an editor, chances are you're probably not.

Sorry. I just had to agree...

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Rose

If she wasn't, her books would be in the adult section instead of the children's section.

Interesting point.

Her ideas, I'm sure, must be good - which is more of the 'talent' portion of writing.

Oh, she's got plenty of great ideas. One of the reasons I've gotten so far in these books (I actually... ::gasp::...purchased book 5) is that she doesn't lack in imagination or creativity. But sometimes it's made awkward because her skill level hasn't caught up with her imagination level.

She won't let people edit her books anymore. Just like Anne Rice.

Ugh, really? I tried to read The Witching Hour once, by Anne Rice, and I couldn't get through it. I got bored with all the incest, and the very stupid female protagonist. And it was so freaking drawn out...

thanks for you opinion. I've glad you've started to comment on my journal; your opinions are nice to hear. :)

No, you're not the only one. Hehe. I can't help wondering if WE'RE the mildly amusing ones, though, running around with the "Joss is God" bumper stickers ;o).... But no matter how much I love any of my fandoms I hate it when I meet fellow-fans who are completely blind to even the most obvious flaws.

I completely agree with you. JKR wrote some good books, with great characters and an amazing plot, but she is not the new Shakespeare. JKR's intentions are very good, but she's still only a "mediocre beginner writer" as you called it when it comes to language (and keeping her readers hooked [cough]book 5[cough]).

I can't help wondering if WE'RE the mildly amusing ones, though, running around with the "Joss is God" bumper stickers

O know there's a bunch of bitter fans out there who hated season 6 & 7 (the years I started watching) who now condem the "joss is god" attitude... but since I fell in love with the show from season 6 onward, I'm definitely on a Joss-is-god high still. And I don't care if they laugh at me. They laugh at Joss, I laugh at JKR, everyone gets to laugh. :)

That's true. Laughing is good :o).

Ever since I became I die-hard fan in early s5 (The Real Me) I was very inclined to hate the two last seasons while they aired. I'd watch every episode and love it, then watch it the third time and start bitching about Willow's addiction and the writers screwing over Spike -- all the stuff everybody else complained about, too.

But the show is just too good to stay mad at. Even when they seem to really mess up a character, it's like they always come out swinging. For me anyway :o).

Hey, and proud to be a Joss-follower ever since s2 :o).

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