Star Trek, meta talk!
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seperis's wonderfully detailed analysis of the Star Trek 09 movie and how it relates to past and future canon, and how the AU affects changes in the characters, etc etc.:
In TOS, Spock was a restraining and cooling influence on the much more emotional Kirk. Their relationship was adversarial but not personally so; I find it unbelievably awesome that this is going to be the opposite. If Pike had searched the galaxy in this universe to find the one person who will do the same job without the same results, he could not have done better. This is two people who can compare and contrast their juvenile arrest records. This is two people who already have a habit of fighting personally and escalate each other to violence. Their intial reactions to being challenged by each other is already set in the habit of going for the throat first.
It's like they were looking all their lives for the one person they can't break, and lookie here, there you go. Jim Kirk, who doesn't know how to lose, and Spock, who burns down the village and salts the earth when he goes to war.
That got me thinking! Oh lordy, it did!
That description instantly put me in mind of Jin and Mugen on Samurai Champloo. And now...omg. I can't get away from that analogy. Because the rebooted Spock=Jin is so many loltastic ways and so too does Kirk=Mugen. Getting over the tiny quibble that Jin and Mugen lived in historical Edo-period Japan and not flying around starships in space (and that I'm pretty sure no one would ever make Mugen captain of anything), the analogy is freakishly accurate.
Another point from her/his post: The idea that the Romulans' preemptive and antagonistic arrival spurs xenophobia in the Vulcans is just the explanation I was looking for as to why Spock grew up so differently. That was one part I don't think the movie properly resolved for me. But if they suddenly didn't like outsiders as much, and that led to him being teased and isolated as child...that's why he grew up repressing his anger instead of accepting and controlling it, as prime canon Spock did. Prime canon Spock was not nearly so angry under the surface.
Also, reboot BabySpock now reminds me of Ender Wiggin. Yeah. ENDER WIGGIN.
Except Ender Wiggin is kinder than reboot Spock, I think.
seperis's wonderfully detailed analysis of the Star Trek 09 movie and how it relates to past and future canon, and how the AU affects changes in the characters, etc etc.:In TOS, Spock was a restraining and cooling influence on the much more emotional Kirk. Their relationship was adversarial but not personally so; I find it unbelievably awesome that this is going to be the opposite. If Pike had searched the galaxy in this universe to find the one person who will do the same job without the same results, he could not have done better. This is two people who can compare and contrast their juvenile arrest records. This is two people who already have a habit of fighting personally and escalate each other to violence. Their intial reactions to being challenged by each other is already set in the habit of going for the throat first.
It's like they were looking all their lives for the one person they can't break, and lookie here, there you go. Jim Kirk, who doesn't know how to lose, and Spock, who burns down the village and salts the earth when he goes to war.
That got me thinking! Oh lordy, it did!
That description instantly put me in mind of Jin and Mugen on Samurai Champloo. And now...omg. I can't get away from that analogy. Because the rebooted Spock=Jin is so many loltastic ways and so too does Kirk=Mugen. Getting over the tiny quibble that Jin and Mugen lived in historical Edo-period Japan and not flying around starships in space (and that I'm pretty sure no one would ever make Mugen captain of anything), the analogy is freakishly accurate.
Another point from her/his post: The idea that the Romulans' preemptive and antagonistic arrival spurs xenophobia in the Vulcans is just the explanation I was looking for as to why Spock grew up so differently. That was one part I don't think the movie properly resolved for me. But if they suddenly didn't like outsiders as much, and that led to him being teased and isolated as child...that's why he grew up repressing his anger instead of accepting and controlling it, as prime canon Spock did. Prime canon Spock was not nearly so angry under the surface.
Also, reboot BabySpock now reminds me of Ender Wiggin. Yeah. ENDER WIGGIN.
Except Ender Wiggin is kinder than reboot Spock, I think.
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Date: 2009-05-24 03:28 pm (UTC)