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Doctor Who, new episode.

-Rose looks so pretty with that hat! She's still my tv girlfriend, you know. Has been since episode 6.

-My ship is the ship that is The Ship.

-first date! ...Oh my god. I thought they were going to back OFF from the shippyness for a bit, but instead they're running full-tilt into it! And I'm loving it! My ship is the ship that is The Ship!

-new new doctor. oh love.

-"At last I can be revenged on that little----""----I don't like hospitals they give me the creeps." WHAT? DID MY VIDEO JUST SKIP?! NO! HOW IS CASSANDRA ALIVE?!


[[....okay, having my computer spontaneously turn off for half an hour tends to drop my squee levels a bit]]

...wow, Rose's voice sounds so...Cassandra! Go Billie Piper.

GLASSES! ::has XFiles flashback:: GLASSES! Someone out there loves me.


Wow, that's quite a kiss. And just when I thought he was gonna be a dumbfounded puppy look, he pops out with a deadpan "Yep, still got it."

And THAT sent me giggling like nothing else. Of all the possibly speculated replies to such an action, "Yep, still got it," would never have occurred to me. But it's perfect. Perfectly hilarious.

"Search the sub-frames." Aaaaaand just like that, the Doctor knows it's not all Rose inside. Wonder how he'll play it?

Woah. All these pods look like the end of Kakurenbo. Weird.

The way Billie Piper's just hanging out behind the Doctor being all Cassandra-y.... awesomeness. And funny.


"I'm the Doctor, and if you want a higher authority, there isn't one. It stops with me." Whoa, god complex much. I don't remember Nine being this assertive about his "I pwn joo" attitude.

"Wake up and smell the perfume." Piper's acting is just spot on with her voice.


"Give her back to me." Ship. Just sayin'.


"All these parts..." ::sporfle:: I love David Tennant.


This back and forth is great. But... who was it who has hormone-city? Was that Rose's body or the Doctor's?


Pass it on? Okay...what? And...um.... you can't just make a mix stew of medicine.... OH I DON'T CARE I LOVE THIS SHOW. IT'S MAGIC FUTURE DOCTOR SCIENCE AND I DON'T NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT. ...also, I'm happy he's being Doctory again instead of scary.


...interesting ending. I like the idea that Cassandra was a little more compassionate in her earliest life, before time wrecked everything good in her.

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[doyle_sb4.livejournal.com]

"At last I can be revenged on that little----"

Immediate cut to Rose saying "...bit rich coming from you!" So yep, think your video skipped.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

Ahh... so the quick-cut was in the episode too. Seems awkwardly done.

[scarlettfish.livejournal.com]

The shippiness was unreal! I couldn't believe it. They just clicked back into The Doctor and Rose so quickly - and there is lots of evidence to suggest that Rose finds this Doctor even hotter ;)

I loved the episode, and David Tennant, and Billie Piper as Cassandra and David Tennant as Cassandra ('I'm beating out a samba!'). So glad the show is back :)

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

The shippiness was unreal! I couldn't believe it.

It was a lot more forward than I expected. Even if they cool off for the rest of the season, this is a great start and the shippiness here can last me for a while.

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

"I'm the Doctor, and if you want a higher authority, there isn't one. It stops with me." Whoa, god complex much. I don't remember Nine being this assertive about his "I pwn joo" attitude.

Have you watched any of the older stuff yet? Because that's totally the kind of thing the pre-Ninth Doctors would say. It wasn't so much a God Complex back then as, "I'm from a far more advanced and cool society as you lowly people, so therefore, my sense of morality and values should be recognized! You will obey mah authoritiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie!"

This back and forth is great. But... who was it who has hormone-city? Was that Rose's body or the Doctor's?

She was talking about Rose, I thought. I never thought of the Doctor to be "hormone-city". That's just ... weird. To me, anyway.

...interesting ending. I like the idea that Cassandra was a little more compassionate in her earliest life, before time wrecked everything good in her.

Hence my theory that Time itself is the Big Bad Wolf.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

Have you watched any of the older stuff yet? Because that's totally the kind of thing the pre-Ninth Doctors would say. It wasn't so much a God Complex back then as, "I'm from a far more advanced and cool society as you lowly people, so therefore, my sense of morality and values should be recognized! You will obey mah authoritiiiiiiiiiiiiiiie!"

Only one episode and the tv movie, though I have been downloading lots of stuff with the 4th (the 8th Doctor didn't really have that at all--- and in fact the 9th had plenty of the sentiment, he just wasn't so vocal about himself being the answer... usually he was all about the accusation and "I know better cause I'm like a god to your ant" was more implied than thrown directly into his conversations... although that might've been leftover stuff from his feeling guilty about blowing up Gallifrey, and making the god-like decision to end all life.)

Here's a question: which episodes with Sarah Jane should I watch to get a good hold on her character before episode 2x3 airs?


I never thought of the Doctor to be "hormone-city". That's just ... weird. To me, anyway.

I thought so too, but the order/timing of lines confused me a bit, even though I watched it about 4 times. The back and forth stuff, I wasn't sure who she was referring to. Rose makes the most sense in general tough, and there's the fact that Cassandra said the doctor's funky bits were "hardly used."

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

Only one episode and the tv movie, though I have been downloading lots of stuff with the 4th

I've only seen one serial with the 4th - "City of Death". Woe. I've been kinda wrapped up in the Davison-era Who, though. It makes me wish the current Doctor would pick up another companion or two. I'm not a 'shipper, so it gets rather boring for me when it's only him and Rose running around and getting into trouble. I'd hoped Jack would stick around. Or even that dude they picked up in "Dalek", and that kid turned out to be a bust. :/ I'd read somewhere Mickey was going to join them for a few eps, so that might be fun.

and there's the fact that Cassandra said the doctor's funky bits were "hardly used."

You should check out some of the fan bitching about the First Doctor and his granddaughter, Susan. I guess some people were uncomfortable with Susan being his granddaughter, since that implies he would've had sex at some point in his life. It's asinine, really. How do they think Time Lords are made? An intergalactic stork drops them off on Gallifrey? ::pffft:: I've no problem with that, though in the older series' the Doctor was more asexual in all of his incarnations. It's a drastic difference between them and the Doctors presented from '96 to present day, even if Tennant is reviving the spirit of the old school Doctors.

Here's a question: which episodes with Sarah Jane should I watch to get a good hold on her character before episode 2x3 airs?

I've only seen Sarah Jane in The Five Doctors, so I don't have much of a real experience with her character. Other than what I've read at Who sites, anyway. (And I've been doing a LOT of reading.) Here's something that might help you out, though:

Sarah Jane was a young journalist who met The Third Doctor while impersonating her Aunt Lavinia, an eminent scientist, to get a story (The Time Warrior). After sharing his final adventures, Sarah was present when The Doctor regenerated into his fourth persona, and helped Lethbridge-Stewart convince him to stay on Earth to investigate a mysterious series of thefts of advanced technology (Robot). Along with Harry Sullivan, she accompanied The Fourth Doctor on a number of adventures, including his mission to Skaro at the time of the creation of the Daleks, and his first meeting in several years with the Cybermen (Revenge of the Cybermen). With Harry safely back on Earth, Sarah and The Doctor continued their travels, meeting such foes as Sutekh (Pyramids of Mars), Morbius (The Brain of Morbius), and the Mandragora Helix (The Masque of Mandragora). Sarah had a cheeky, irreverent attitude to life, and her personality was perhaps more suited to The Fourth Doctor than that of any of his other companions. She was a proponent of women's rights (The Monster of Peladon, Robot, and others). She was also a crack shot (Pyramids of Mars) and a capable fighter (K-9 and Company). She suffered from vertigo (The Five Doctors; this may have been the result of an incident in which a sadistic guard nearly dropped her to her death from a missile gantry: Genesis of the Daleks). Sarah left The Doctor rather abruptly following his recall to Gallifrey (The Hand of Fear), but his presence continued to be felt in her life. In 1981, while working on a book at her Aunt Lavinia's home in Moreton Harwood, she found a crate containing a gift from The Doctor, a mobile computer called K-9 Mark III. With K-9's help, she uncovered the mystery of a coven which was operating in the area (K-9 and Company). In 1983, she was timescooped into the Death Zone on Gallifrey, where, to her surprise, she was reunited with The Third Doctor, and forced to play the deadly Game of Rassilon (The Five Doctors).

This should be fun, Ten crossing paths with characters from the old series.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

City of Death is one of the ones I've downloaded but not yet seen.


You should check out some of the fan bitching about the First Doctor and his granddaughter, Susan. I guess some people were uncomfortable with Susan being his granddaughter, since that implies he would've had sex at some point in his life. It's asinine, really. How do they think Time Lords are made? An intergalactic stork drops them off on Gallifrey? ::pffft::

I've read stuff about that. Apparently the books have a long-running book-canon that has the doctors being born asexually through some kind of genetic selection process called Looms. I haven't really been interested enough to read them--- in tv canon there's no mention of that, and there's three major things that point to the fact that the doctor is not asexual: 1) his granddaughter, 2) the 1996 movie where the Doctor said his mother was human, 3) the episode The Doctor Dances (title says it loud and clear) and numerous other 2005-2006 series references to sexuality.

I think the kids-show aspects of the older series means that there was just no real need for a love interest, and perpetual lack of love-interest meant audiences thinking the doctor doesn't "dance", so to speak.

The Fifth is your favorite? Which eps should I start with for him?


Thanks for the summary, btw.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

* which is not to say Rose is a love interest per se, because she's not really in the sense that we usually assume someone means when they say "love interest"

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

2) the 1996 movie where the Doctor said his mother was human,

That one is also controversial. Apparently, there's an episode where he reunited with his mother - something with the Fourth Doctor, because it was referenced in "Castrovalva" when the newly regenerated Fifth - his mind scrambled the way Ten's was after his regeneration - asked Adric where his mother was. I want to hunt down the serial prior, to see exactly what happened. Considering Adric mentioned the Doctor had said goodbye to her at the Gateway, I assumed she was a Time Lord. I've no earthly idea what that was about, and I can't find any mention of it in the synopses for the Baker eps I've looked at so far.

Relatedly, I read in a few places there's a theory that Rose is the Doctor's mother. Um. That's just weird on too many levels.

Also, there's a huge question mark on how much the other mediums - books, etc. - have bearing on the canon of the actual show. Most series' which spawn as much media as DW have the same kind of deal.

I think the kids-show aspects of the older series means that there was just no real need for a love interest, and perpetual lack of love-interest meant audiences thinking the doctor doesn't "dance", so to speak.

That's true, too. It's rather strange to reconcile the "new" version against the "old" version. I'm loving both of them, though. If the new series chooses to take that route to the fullest extent, that's their right. I'll keep watching, unless the relationship detracts from the plot of the series, i.e. it's more about them rather than the whole. It's part of the reason I become so paranoid about relationships on shows - such as House - I'd hate to see what I started watching it for get lost in all of the drama.

The Fifth is your favorite? Which eps should I start with for him?

Of the old school? Definitely. I'd start right off with his introduction, "Castrovalva". It gives you a chance to get to know his companions - Tegan, Nyssa and Adric, plus see the old Master - before getting into the rest of his adventures. I frickin' adore Tegan. She says what she wants and doesn't wait to be saved. Nyssa and Adric are humanoid aliens, so they're a bit more on The Doctor's wavelength (understanding almost as much as he does about the universe, etc.), but Tegan managed to pilot the TARDIS after only reading the onboard instruction manual. Props to the human!

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

That one is also controversial.

I've read the various theories on it, and I'd be more of the mind of ignoring it except that in interviews Russel Davies (the current producer) said that they're treating the movie as canon. They don't go into it in any more detail, so I look at it and shrug "Mmmm...okay then." What's canon is canon, until new canon says otherwise.

Also, there's a huge question mark on how much the other mediums - books, etc. - have bearing on the canon of the actual show. Most series' which spawn as much media as DW have the same kind of deal.

From everything I've read, nothing in the books is treated as canon---at least from a series writing standpoint. They might lift little things (Doctor's nicknames, for instance) from the books or make references, but the books and radio shows are not canon for writing the series. They're going purely off what aired on tv. They have to, because some stuff in the books directly contradicts stuff on the show, or other books. For instance, Gallifrey was destroyed in a totally different way in the 8th Doctor books.

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

I've read the various theories on it, and I'd be more of the mind of ignoring it except that in interviews Russel Davies (the current producer) said that they're treating the movie as canon. They don't go into it in any more detail, so I look at it and shrug "Mmmm...okay then." What's canon is canon, until new canon says otherwise.

Thinking on it, that would make sense. The '96 movie was to be the springboard for a new DW series. So long as it doesn't get too weird, I can keep an open mind about it. I'm sort of hoping someone else from the Time Lord society managed to survive - much like the Dalek from the "Dalek" episode - giving the universe at least one other member of his race. stormysprite and I were theorizing that might be what Boe plans to reveal to the Doctor when the time is right. That he didn't destroy every single Time Lord.

I'm having the urge to write some era crossover fiction ... in a Five Doctors Ten-meets-previous-selves kind of way. Just thought I'd put that out there.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

I've heard that speculation about Boe as well. In a way I hope not, or at least not for another season or two... I am still attached to the drama of the idea that he's the last. Maybe the 11th Doctor can find a long lost cuz? But I'd keep it as it is for a while.


Write it! I had a plot bunny once for Rose meeting Eight while wandering around on a planet, pre-Nine/Ten-regeneration. Never got around to writing it. I read a great Eighth/Ninth crossover fic one time, but I can't remember where.

[donna-c-punk.livejournal.com]

If we don't see Boe again this season or eventually in a later season, I wouldn't mind if that's what the message was. I rather like the idea he's all alone for now. Once he finds a place for himself, it'd be cool to see a curve ball like that happen. Especially if they pull the Master out. Put someone totally cool in the role, suave with the evil. Oh, if only Alan Rickman or Gary Oldman would do it. I'd pay them! Seriously! Because, really, if there's gonna be another Time Lord, it should be the Doctor's long-time nemesis.