Date: 2006-07-01 02:59 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com
I was afraid of the potentially depressing part of it. I like dark movies, but not depressing ones. 95% of the time I prefer not to be depressed from a movie, and will avoid really depressing ones. I'm already halfway through The NeverEnding Story...I'll probably try Narnia next, if my Part 2 avi file finishes downloading.

I figured "never tried it"s would click "what?"

Tell me what you like and for what reasons. Heh. I *love* reccing stuff. I already have something in mind just from your asking. But tell me your favs.

Date: 2006-07-01 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slacker-97.livejournal.com
Edward Scissorhands isn't that bad. I think it's definitely worth a watch. I could tell you what happens from beginning to end, and why it's depressing, but the parts that might be sad are short. Hope I didn't talk you out of it.

I think my first anime was DBZ. I feel very embarrassed saying that, and also admitting to seeing a lot of Dragonball. Honestly, looking back I don't know what was the appeal. Maybe it's the whole underdog story. More about the growth and adventure of an innocent little boy with DB.

I think I started reading Naruto manga because it seemed you were talking about it ALL THE TIME!!! Not so much lately, but I loved the story of team 7, watching the village youth grow individually and as teams. While some of the fights have reached DBZ levels as the series goes on, at least in my opinion, I still feel myself needing more. Plus, and this is very important to me, the art doesn't suck. Some anime and manga has a style that is just too, um, slender for me. I'm not sure right off hand what I mean by that.

I found myself reading Bleach not long ago, I think I liked it for the same reason I watched Yu Yu Hakasho(sp) as well as what I think is the first half of Inuyasha. The story kept me coming back. I wanted to know what would happen next, how far he'd come as a detective, and would he ever kill Naruko. Again, art as well.

Some other things on my list include, Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist, and FLCL (but only because it made me thing WTF?!)

So I hope that helps, since it seems everything was very random.

Date: 2006-07-01 06:47 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com
You haven't turned me off of the movie. I'm just not in the mood tonight.

DBZ was one of my early anime fandoms, as well. For those of us who discovered anime with the Sailor Moon / DBZ / Gundam Wing generation in the 90s, it's hard to escape DBZ. I was definitely in it for Vegita more than Goku, though.

I started watching the Naruto anime on a recommendation from I guy I went on a single date with; I ended up liking the anime a lot more than him. ::laugh:: He also recommended sCRYed, which I found almost unbearably dull and absurdly illogical.

I've tried a couple times to get into Bleach. I read the first few chapters, watched the first three episodes. It looked like a hodgepodge of a lot of things I'd seen before (YYH, Ranma 1/2, Inuyasha) and since I was fresh off watching stuff like FMA, Naruto, and Fruits Basket my expectations were running quite high, a little too high for Bleach to satisfy me. But I've been assured that it gets better with time, so I've downloaded a lot of the manga and might try to pick it up.

I watched all the way up to episode 80 or 81 with Inuyasha before my attention drifted. I still find it entertaining, but I've gotten disillusioned with it and impatient. I'll probably look up the ending at some point once the manga finishes. Or maybe read the last few volumes.

CB took a long time, but eventually became one of my fandoms. I hold it close to my heart but unlike a lot of devotees I freely discuss its flaws (some people would have you believe its flawless; it's not, it's merely ambitious and very entertaining.)

FLCL I hated the first time I saw an episode, then two years later I watched all the eps in a row and I adored it. FLCL is very much a niche thing, but oh it is SO my niche.

FMA is simply my favorite anime to date. FMA+Rashaka=OTP. FOREVER.


Now that I know what you're into, I'll think of some good titles for you.

Date: 2006-07-01 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slacker-97.livejournal.com
Yes your 7 Phases of DBZ Fandom is very true.

I avoided watching sCRYed because of something you said in a post when they were starting to play it. I caught the beginning and end of a couple of episodes and that was painful enough for me.

I remember when AS kicked off Inuyasha for the first time. Think "What the hell is this?" and after the first episode feeling pain at missing the following episodes. Never watched something that kept me wanting more (before FMA) and after a while, it got stale. Yes, we need to do this...ok, but now we need to do this...fine, oh crap, we need to go back...wtf! I expect stupid fetch quests from my Final Fantasy games, not this!

I've only seen the anime played on AS, and I thought it was probably the best anime I'd ever seen. When recommending an anime for people never having seen any, I'd always go to that since it doesn't take much to get into it. You don't have to watch it from the beginning (but it helps) and I loved how it left so much open to the imagination. Just the whole Spike/Vicious/Julia thing...I don't know how to explain it. Not knowing if it's explained in more detail other places, they give the viewer so much to make up for themselves. Huh, I think I just gushed for a moment there. Sorry.

I think I felt the same about FLCL the first time. This is just random insanity for the hell of it. But then I kept watching and discovered that it wasn't something to be judged individually, but that had to be taken in as a whole.

I left out a couple of things. Gundam (of which I know there is so many) and um the wolf one...sorry. I forgot the name. I think I liked that one because it was just so depressing. It was like "Can't win, don't try" And with Gundam, I only got into um, er, "War in the Pocket" and "Endless Waltz" at least I think those are the ones.

Date: 2006-07-02 03:37 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com
I've only seen the anime played on AS, and I thought it was probably the best anime I'd ever seen. When recommending an anime for people never having seen any, I'd always go to that since it doesn't take much to get into it. You don't have to watch it from the beginning (but it helps) and I loved how it left so much open to the imagination. Just the whole Spike/Vicious/Julia thing...I don't know how to explain it. Not knowing if it's explained in more detail other places, they give the viewer so much to make up for themselves. Huh, I think I just gushed for a moment there. Sorry.

Don't apologize for gushing! I gush all the time. I definitely see the appeal to CB-- in some ways it takes my breath away with its maturity (in method of delivery as much or more than content), and its beautiful incorporation of music as a thematic devise. For me the music was one of the things that really pulled me into CB-- the song titles for episodes (several Rolling Stones titles), the warped/rewritten lyrics at the end of every episode, the way jazz is incoporated with everything and the way the characters' attitudes and themes are lovingly reflected in and reflective of the music. I was also moved by the Spike/Julia/Vicious backstory, but not as much as I was moved by Faye's backstory. I honestly believed and bought into the emotions of Julia, Spike, and Vicious, but I always felt that the show was inadequate with characterization, and Vicious was never anything more than his name suggests. The anime gave us the aftermath of their menage a toi of doom, but they didn't explain how they got to that point and we never learned enough about Julia, Vicious, or pre-Bebop Spike, at least not enough that I cared much when Julia died. I thought it was a wasted opportunity, one of several in the show. However, where Bebop succeeded it really succeeded, and overall it's a very good show. Since watching more anime I've seen some that are better (FMA, Escaflowne, Fruits Basket, Gungrave, Monster...) and some that are about the same but succeed in different ways (Trigun, for example, is not as pretty, as joyously rambunctious, or as lyrical as Bebop, but it's much deeper philosophically and more emotionally devastating.) Interestingly, I got more attached to CB after repeated viewings, and liked it on my 3rd viewing far more than on my first (which was partially out of order, though not the end.) And although the pacing and lack of backstory bothered me in CB, the fact that we get to know the behaviors of the characters so well as they are right now makes up somewhat for the fact that we know very little about who they used to be.

I left out a couple of things. Gundam (of which I know there is so many) and um the wolf one...sorry. I forgot the name. I think I liked that one because it was just so depressing. It was like "Can't win, don't try" And with Gundam, I only got into um, er, "War in the Pocket" and "Endless Waltz" at least I think those are the ones.

"GW: Endless Waltz" is the movie/OVA sequel to Gundam Wing. Both aired on cartoon network a few years ago. I've never seen "War in the Pocket."

The wolf thing is Wolf's Rain, which I only made through 3 and a half episodes of before I quit. Happily.


Date: 2006-07-02 05:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slacker-97.livejournal.com
It wasn't Endless Waltz, sorry. It was Gundam 0083:Stardust Memory. They played it for a while back in the first few years of AS. Very long series and if you didn't catch it from the beginning you might not have cared to keep watching, assuming you like any of the Gundam Series. I was actually very frustrated when they started over that series and half way into it, they started "Gundam 0080:War in the Pocket" which I didn't even realize (not having seen the first part of the prior series) until two episodes into it.

Anyways...

Wolf's Rain wasn't that great. I don't think you missed much. Like you I got a few episodes into it before I gave up, then caught the tail end of the eps another night and watched to the end. Lots of stuff happened in there, lots of care never came for me.

Date: 2006-07-01 07:11 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com
Quick questions.

Have you seen these shows? And did you like them? (yes, no, okay)

-Escaflowne
-Trigun
-Evangelion
-Hellsing
-Gungrave
-Witch Hunter Robin
-Samurai Champloo
-Paranoia Agent
-Ranma 1/2
-Lupin III
-Fushigi Yuugi

I ask because these are fairly popular titles that have either aired on Adult Swim in the last 3 years or sold very well in the US. I don't recommend all of them to the same degree, but I want to get a feel for what you've seen.

Are you following any shows currently airing in Japan and being fansubbed online?

Date: 2006-07-01 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slacker-97.livejournal.com
Escaflowne is a sort of mech show right? Probably not right, but I've heard of it, never watched.

Trigun, I've seen many episodes from AS, though it came on later than other shows and I never caught two eps in a row. I didn't NOT like it, parts of it seemed overly silly. Kind of like the 'short' gags in FMA, but longer and not as funny. But I understand it was needed to break up how sad the whole situation they were all in was.

Oh maybe I was thinking of Evangelion when I read Escaflowne...not that that changes the 'nope haven't seen it' answer.

I'll cut out a big hunk for you, I haven't seen anything else you've listed other than some of Samurai Champloo and Lupin III. Love Lupin III, even with its overly washed out color 80's look. I tried Witch Hunter Robin, liked the animation, but I wasn't in the mood to start a new show so I lost interest. I've seen the names of each of the things you've listed (except Fushigi Yuugi isn't so familiar a name)

As far as fansubbed episodes go, I don't do that so much. I'd like to watch some of the Naruto eps since some of the actions sequences don't play out so well in manga. Mostly I don't since I'm short on space, and high in crappy computer.

Date: 2006-07-02 04:11 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com
I'm making a list for you. It's also useful in that its allowing me to list out what I have seen, am waiting to see, and need to see.

Escaflowne is a sort of mech show right? Probably not right, but I've heard of it, never watched.

Escaflowne is kind of unique-- it's a mech show set in a fuedal fantasy world. Or a feudal fantasy show with mechs in it. Sounds incredibly eye-roll-worthy, but trust me it's probably one of the top 5 anime series of the 90s, in terms of quality. (trivia: Yoko Kanno, the composer who did all the music in CB, did the score.)

Evangelion has mechs too. Evangelion is... both very good and very bad and sometimes in the middle. It's psychological and disturbing and interesting, but overall its monster-of-the-week formula gets tired, and by the end of the series it collapses under its own Freudian pop psychology. But it can be engrossing and it still wins for one of the most disturbing anime scenes I've watched: a scene were one mech violently attacks another, with music and with context and... guh. I can't explain it outside of context but trust me it was very disturbing in its violence. Not blood quanity, just violence level. Definitely watch Evangelion from the beginning if it starts up on AS, but don't spend a lot of money on it-- there's better anime out there for $25 a DVD.

Lupin III is from the 70s, actually. I love Lupin, though it took me a few eps to get into it. After watching Lupin III I could tell that some of the charm in the dynamic of CB was reminiscent of the character dynamics of Lupin III. One group catches criminals and one group committs crime, but they're remarkably similar and the shows often have the same caper feel.


As far as fansubbed episodes go, I don't do that so much. I'd like to watch some of the Naruto eps since some of the actions sequences don't play out so well in manga. Mostly I don't since I'm short on space, and high in crappy computer.

Most of what I recommend will be anime, though I can think of a few manga titles you might get into. There are some solutions: a lot of anime episodes are posted on youtube.com these days (Avatar: The Last Airbender, Blood+, Sailor Moon), though sometimes they're split into two or three segments of 9-10 minutes. You can also burn stuff to DVDs; I've done that a lot to free up space.

I'll talk about a few titles right here:

Samurai Champloo is fun and I recommend it as an action, cute way to kill time. It's visually lush and its humor is inspired, but it suffers from lack of direction, lack of overall plot, and lack of raison d'etre. Still, if you give up on any expectation of plotlines, it's very amusing fun and the three main characters are loveable.

Ranma 1/2 is a manga and a five-season anime, all out on DVD and in english bookshelves. Ranma 1/2 is what Naoko Takeuchi did before she did InuYasha, and I will always love Ranma 1/2 more than IY. Where IY has pretense of drama, Ranma 1/2 is pure martial arts action / romantic comedy. It basically created the martial arts comedy romance genre, or at least was the most defined title representing it. Ranma 1/2 is addictive candy-coated silly fun. It's often repetitive, but unlike IY, it has no pretenses toward a destination, so you never get impatient with it. Basically its about a boy who falls into a cursed wellspring and from that point on every time he's hit with cold water he turns into a female version of himself. Hot water turns him back. His absent-minded father gets him betrothed to the daughter of a dojo owner (who has two other daughters), and the show starts with Ranma meeting the Tendo family and then attending high school with his new fiance. After that comes five seasons and 32 volumes of crazy characters and loveable mishaps. Some of them might remind you of IY--- characters like Koga the wolf-demon, Myouga the flea, and Sango are lifted almost verbatim from Ranma 1/2 characters (Ryouga, Happosai, and Ukyo, respectively). But where IY does it decent, Ranma 1/2 does it great. Go to your local library and pick up the first three volumes of the manga. You'll love it. It's also a classic anime title. Lots of in-jokes.

Date: 2006-07-02 04:56 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com
*Ranma 1/2 is also one of those shows that a lot of other anime series tried to copy after it was popular. For instance, in the first episode of Bleach the main orange-haired kid's father randomly attacks him over breakfast and engages him in a martial arts fight. That father/son relationship was totally stolen from Ranma 1/2. Ranma was such a major manga/anime title in the 90s; for a long time Naoko Takeuchi was the best-selling manga artist/writer in Japan, having major hits with Maison Ikkoku (I'm told that's very good), Ranma 1/2, and then Inuyasha. I've seen a lot of stuff in anime that references or borrows from Ranma.

Date: 2006-07-02 04:46 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rashaka.livejournal.com
I'll talk about Trigun here because you've seen bits of it already: forget the humor stuff that might remind you of FMA (actually, for the first season FMA reminded me often of Trigun)-- that's small stuff. That's the candy distraction to entertain you while in the background people are dying and hearts are breaking and drama is building. And forget watching it out of order. Watching Trigun out of order is possible, but it seriously hurts your viewing experience in ways that you can't really understand until you've watched it once all the way through, the way its meant to be seen. Trigun is a drama that dresses itself with comedy, especially in the first half of the show. Like I said, FMA reminded me of Trigun in a lot of ways, and that was one of them. Trigun was the flat-out angstiest anime I'd ever seen until I watched FMA. Trigun is... it WAS my all-time favorite anime until I watched FMA. I've held Trigun close to my heart for about 6 years now. I can't recommend it enough: I could gush about it for hours and I *have* written essays about it. The reason you should watch Trigun is that it's different from many, many anime series you'll see: not in content but in theme and structure. Trigun is a one-man character study. It's one single long emotional analysis of Vash, from start to finish. That's not something you normally see in anime, and its done very very well. The show is philosophical and emotional, though you don't always realize how much one incident matters until several episodes have past and you look back on it and go "Oh. Oh." Intellectually Trigun was candy to me, because I love analyzing literary characters and Vash is very much a literary character. Trigun has several characters that embody traditional literary archetypes and beg, just beg for further thought and discussion.

The description "was needed to break up how sad the whole situation they were all in was" is both wrong and right. But I can't explain why without a detailed and spoilery breakdown of the show's characters and running themes, and I'm just not going to go there.

What you might find interesting is that for several years if someone was curious about anime I'd tell them on reflex to watch Cowboy Bebop first and then Trigun second. CB is an anime that's very accessible to non-anime fans or new anime fans, and Trigun takes equally engaging characters, similarly action-heavy content, but adds a philosophical and emotional layer on top of it. The only real downside to Trigun is that its cell animation was often low-budget in comparison to the stuff you see coming out in the last 3 years (then again, so is CB.)


Fushigi Yuugi is good (I was quite addicted to it for a while) but, like Evangelion, I'm hesitant to recommend it to you when I could recommend things that are better. Fushigi Yuugi is basically an anime version of The NeverEnding Story, but with a large romantic subplot and a bodycount. It's addicting and only ran for two seasons (very actiony 52 episodes), but it doesn't hold up as well in comparison to shows like FMA, Monster, Fruits Basket.

Hellsing is a 13 episode series that's fun and odd. Sometimes its erratic and frustrating (not in a deliberate way like FLCL, just inconsistant), but it takes on the vampire gothic horror genre with gusto. I liked it but didn't love it; [livejournal.com profile] donna_c_punk swears that the manga is a million times better.

Witch Hunter Robin is good. Like Samurai Champloo, Hellsing, and Evangelion it sits in that "well-made, decent" category that sits above "mediocre" (Inuyasha, some of the Gundams) and "crap" (DBZ, some of the Gundams, most of anime), but still doesn't quite measure up to the "really good or great" category. It has serious high points but is hindered by flaws. The only really flaw to WHR is its pacing-- its slow, and sometimes boring. But if you have the time, overall the series is good and I recommend it. It resolves strongly, but unfortunately with little surprise. I predicted a lot of things in WHR before they happened, but I still enjoyed it and I give it a thumbs up.



There's other stuff that I'll talk about in the list I'm making.

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