::whistles:: What a doozy.
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timepiececlockAlright. I've been Jossed.
That was really very clever. I'll admit it-- I was had. They got me. I totally didn't expect it to play out like that.
So this is Angel's fantasy. Wesley and he are friends again. Cordelia chooses him to love. Connor loves and accepts him. He and Connor save the day together--him showing Connor what it's like to feel satisfaction in helping & protecting others. Wes and Gunn sort of become friends again. He and Cordelia make love at the end.
Maybe I might've been more aware that it was an illusion if I'd been watching this show in the previous three seasons. I would have been able to pick out character tell-tales.
But I didn't, and they got me. Though right at the end, when he and Cordy started with the kissing, I was getting suspicious. I was thinkin', "Ok, so he's not willing to lose his soul to save the world, but he is willing to lose it for nookie? Sense of priority a bit askew?"
I wonder... were the things like the sword and the writing on the monk invented purely for the illusion, or are they reflections of the real way to kill the beast? If they are real, the irony's pretty good-- Angel would remember them from the illusion, but of course Angelus wouldn't just give that information away.
I liked Connor fighting the Beast. I love the Beast's speaking voice. I can't figure his accent, but it sounds right bitchin'. Almost... aristocratic. I lurv it.
And I really lurv Wesley.
I liked the Angel/Cordelia love scene. I thought it was nicely & emotionally done, with pretty music. Oh god, I might actualy be turning into an Angel/Cordy shipper after this. Previously, I'd been more wishful thinking on the Faith/Angel idea... but now I'm likin' the A/C.
Also, these past few episodes I've realized something fairly good-- as long as Angel is not around Buffy, or--alternately-- isn't brooding overmuch, I like him. I like his sense of humor. I just totally absolutely hate him when he's on BtVS. I watched all the seasons 1-3 reruns on FX, and I thought he was ok, and Becoming was very sad, but mostly I wanted to smack him, and tell him to shut up, go away, and stop whining and stop hitting on sixteen-year-old girls. But on his own show, away from Sunnydale, I could like the guy. He does have a nice chest.
And did his face get instantly sexier when he turned into Angelus, or what? I think it was the smile. I haven't seen Angel do any full-faced grins lately enough to remember; they're quite attractive on DB.
And should DB win an award for best Evil Laugh, you think? Cause that laugh was just... wicked cool. Literally. Just that touch of whimsy, and delight and the real sense that he's back, he's evil, he knows it, and they're all mad fools for doing it because they don't really know what they've done, but he's going to have such fun making sure they do soon enough.
Side thought: With Buffy last time, I cheated and downloaded "Potential" early on Monday night. First time ever. Now I think I have teh solution to this-- I'll sim[ly spoil myself rotten on getting Angel episodes early, and then remain pure and chaste for watching Buffy. Since Buffy is the important fandom anyway, this works out nicely for me. It's like a compromise.
P.S. That evil laugh is so fucking cool. I'm gonna rewatch my clip again...
ETA: Ok, I rewatched it a FOURTH time, and I finally heard Angel say "Buffy". That satifies that confusion. What I'm pleased ot notice is that the soul/change is ALREADY happening when he says it, and it's more of an "Oh, shit, I've done this before with my last girlfriend" thing, saying Buffy's name as interjection. There was nothing B/A shippy about it. This whole episode, in fact, showed that from Angel's perspective at least, he's All!About!Cordy. Cordy made him lose his soul-- his secret dream of perfect happiness is now centered on Cordy's love & companionship, not Buffy's.
::looks around, grinning::...Oh, don't mind me. I'm just all bubbly about the non-B/A-ness of it all....::whistles casually::
That was really very clever. I'll admit it-- I was had. They got me. I totally didn't expect it to play out like that.
So this is Angel's fantasy. Wesley and he are friends again. Cordelia chooses him to love. Connor loves and accepts him. He and Connor save the day together--him showing Connor what it's like to feel satisfaction in helping & protecting others. Wes and Gunn sort of become friends again. He and Cordelia make love at the end.
Maybe I might've been more aware that it was an illusion if I'd been watching this show in the previous three seasons. I would have been able to pick out character tell-tales.
But I didn't, and they got me. Though right at the end, when he and Cordy started with the kissing, I was getting suspicious. I was thinkin', "Ok, so he's not willing to lose his soul to save the world, but he is willing to lose it for nookie? Sense of priority a bit askew?"
I wonder... were the things like the sword and the writing on the monk invented purely for the illusion, or are they reflections of the real way to kill the beast? If they are real, the irony's pretty good-- Angel would remember them from the illusion, but of course Angelus wouldn't just give that information away.
I liked Connor fighting the Beast. I love the Beast's speaking voice. I can't figure his accent, but it sounds right bitchin'. Almost... aristocratic. I lurv it.
And I really lurv Wesley.
I liked the Angel/Cordelia love scene. I thought it was nicely & emotionally done, with pretty music. Oh god, I might actualy be turning into an Angel/Cordy shipper after this. Previously, I'd been more wishful thinking on the Faith/Angel idea... but now I'm likin' the A/C.
Also, these past few episodes I've realized something fairly good-- as long as Angel is not around Buffy, or--alternately-- isn't brooding overmuch, I like him. I like his sense of humor. I just totally absolutely hate him when he's on BtVS. I watched all the seasons 1-3 reruns on FX, and I thought he was ok, and Becoming was very sad, but mostly I wanted to smack him, and tell him to shut up, go away, and stop whining and stop hitting on sixteen-year-old girls. But on his own show, away from Sunnydale, I could like the guy. He does have a nice chest.
And did his face get instantly sexier when he turned into Angelus, or what? I think it was the smile. I haven't seen Angel do any full-faced grins lately enough to remember; they're quite attractive on DB.
And should DB win an award for best Evil Laugh, you think? Cause that laugh was just... wicked cool. Literally. Just that touch of whimsy, and delight and the real sense that he's back, he's evil, he knows it, and they're all mad fools for doing it because they don't really know what they've done, but he's going to have such fun making sure they do soon enough.
Side thought: With Buffy last time, I cheated and downloaded "Potential" early on Monday night. First time ever. Now I think I have teh solution to this-- I'll sim[ly spoil myself rotten on getting Angel episodes early, and then remain pure and chaste for watching Buffy. Since Buffy is the important fandom anyway, this works out nicely for me. It's like a compromise.
P.S. That evil laugh is so fucking cool. I'm gonna rewatch my clip again...
ETA: Ok, I rewatched it a FOURTH time, and I finally heard Angel say "Buffy". That satifies that confusion. What I'm pleased ot notice is that the soul/change is ALREADY happening when he says it, and it's more of an "Oh, shit, I've done this before with my last girlfriend" thing, saying Buffy's name as interjection. There was nothing B/A shippy about it. This whole episode, in fact, showed that from Angel's perspective at least, he's All!About!Cordy. Cordy made him lose his soul-- his secret dream of perfect happiness is now centered on Cordy's love & companionship, not Buffy's.
::looks around, grinning::...Oh, don't mind me. I'm just all bubbly about the non-B/A-ness of it all....::whistles casually::
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Date: 2003-01-29 05:10 pm (UTC)I'm spoiled as fuck and I DON'T CARE!! It's gonna be. so. godamn. good.
Hee. And in my head, yes, it will be a whisper of Buffy cause yanno, he still whacks off and thinks of her.
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Date: 2003-01-29 05:11 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2003-01-29 06:11 pm (UTC)Hey, that's cool. In my little Highlander fanbrain Richie never died, and in fact has set up camp in Egypt.
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Date: 2003-01-29 06:38 pm (UTC)I'm sure it is possible. Even for me, perhaps. I know I already loved Angelus---I finally felt the Angelus luv after watching him frantically try to scrub his naked chest clean of "humanity" after he made out with Buffy as a ghost in I Only Have Eyes For You. Seeing him trying to wash it off like cuties-- I suddenly found Angelus funny instead of just a jerk, and then I liked him.
So, yeah, I could like him. But if he ever comes back to Buffy... I'm afraid it's back to Spike's corner in a minute. I picked my vamp, and I'm sticking by him, and he hates Angel, ergo, when they're in a scene together I hate Angel. But as soon as Angel leaves I'll be down with the Dave luv.
Though--I have to admit-- as much as I'm starting to like Angel, Wesley's my new fangirly addiction.
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Date: 2003-01-29 06:42 pm (UTC)Yea, Angel is my dude. But I've never despised Spike as a character, and most Angel fans don't... Although I can't vouch for the serious B/A'ers. So maybe it's the slasher in me..? I've always been a slash before anything else fan.
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Date: 2003-01-29 07:54 pm (UTC)Well, from my experience that bitterness goes both ways. I don't typically talk to people who spend paragraphs bashing Angel (I'm so spoiled for having CW-- I love that place. Full of such nice, smart, sane people) I've been shocked and stunned sometimes at the hate there is for Spike's character, expecially from B/A fans. Not all, and not the ones that tend to sit on the fence, or also like S/D or S/A-- but the hard-core B/Aers hate Spike and hate Spike fans with this scary fiery passion. I jokingly make fun of hating Angel. In reality, I like him as long as he's not on BtVS, and when he is I begrudgingly watch it happen and feel relief when its over. And I certainly don't begrudge B/A for happening originally, because without B/A first, there would be no B/S now.
The only character I can say I *really* dislike is Warren, actually. You could safely say that I hate his character. But I think we're supposed to, whereas most previous villains in Jossverse (Angel & Spike included) are made to be sympathetic.
I think it is the slasher in you that saves you from the Spike-hate, especially since you say you're into slash before you're into het. I'm typically into het first, myself. But the amount of Spike-hate I've seen has been significantly greater than the amount of Angel-hate I've seen. Apparently (I found this out after the fact) there was a great backlash of Spike-hate among the W/T shippers, who feel Spike should have died and not Tara, because "he's evil" etc etc. This, I don't understand--because I don't see Spike being any way connected to Tara's death, so I wouldn't think to say it must be one or the other.
I think it significantly depends on where you read the posts, and what's happening on either show at the time, that determines how much bashing a character gets. And what you read determines later how you react to similar fans of that ship or character.
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Date: 2003-01-29 08:30 pm (UTC)As for the whisper of Buffy, I have to wait to see it to make a judgement call. But for me, it would at least signify something the writers have been desperately (and I say foolishly) denying for 2 seasons. That is that the damn shows are CONNECTED. Of course they are, they have to be! It's the same mythology, the same universe, the same damned characters. GAH!
But that's a rant for my LJ. Possibly tonight, after the ep.
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Date: 2003-01-29 09:17 pm (UTC)I would like more mutual recognition of existence between the two groups. On both shows (starting noticably from season 4 BtVS and simultaneously on s-1 AtS) there's been a nice expansion of demons-as-people, and demon characters that are human-like. In the early season of Buffy the only monsters that were allowed to have human-like personalities were vampires (humans-turned-monsters); both shows opening up on that was a wise story decision. But for all that the small characters are similar, the major characters on the shows don't talk to each other as much as they should. Someone could end the world on BtVS (like, say, I dunno... Willow!) and the LA gang would have died along with everyone else, totally unable to stop it. Because THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS HAPPENING. Both groups take on the responsibility of "we're the last resort to saving the world", and yet they each only do half the work. If the two groups were in regular communication, the amount of information they'd have to research solutions would be doubled.
anyway, yeah. side rant there.