DW again, Confidential 4x12
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timepiececlockI just rewatched the last few minutes of Doctor Who 4x12. And, yeah, that enormous "TO BE CONTINUED" stamp is pretty obnoxious--I do believe it was designed for maximum aggravation and snideness. But I guess they want to milk the drama while the cow is hot and bothered.
I've got to go check out the Confidential... I haven't watched any of those since the Confidential for Doomsday (2x13).
Wow, David Tennant's accent is slightly different. He slips back and forth when being interviewed between his Ten voice and his normal accent, which sounds Scotish to me.
A question: Is Dalek Caan something from Old Who episodes? I don't remember anything about a prophetic Dalek being mentioned in New Who before. And he is a prophet, right? It's hard to tell. But if I followed the conversation correctly, then Caan somehow saved Davros and Davros then rebuilt the Dalek race in a parallel universe, but Caan went insane because of it. Why does this "Caan" have an individual personality at all? None of the others do.
EDIT: Oh, the Confidential is explaining this. Caan was the black Dalek and the Dalek in season 3 that got away. I guess he somehow cheated and teleported into the time war just in time to retrieve Davros and presumably take him to an alternate universe.
A note on the Daleks and Whoverse villains: I have never, ever found the Daleks to be remotely threatening. When I first saw them in New Who episode 1x06, I thought they looked and sounded completely ridiculous. But I can tell from friends list commentary over the last three years and from the Confidentials that there is some kind of general reverence for them as villains. From fans and the new creators. They're always praising the Dalek design.
... Really? I think they look pretty stupid. But, you know, I'm not unhappy about that or anything because Doctor Who (2005+) is incredibly campy. It's only slightly less campy than Farscape, and that's mostly because Farscape was sillier, sexier,and nastier (oh man, imagine Captain Jack meeting the crew on Moya!) whereas Doctor Who is more family-friendly and more formulaic, and thus more light-hearted. I think that they designers deliberately go for more flamboyant "far out" designs than you'd get from a show like Battle Star Galactica. I laughed at the first Dalek, and the only reason I don't laugh at them this season is because if I laughed every time they were brought back in this show then I'd have a sore throat. The joke's a bit old. But the first time I saw the Dalek, in 1x06, I varried between a) laughing at the thing and it's ridiculously screetchy voice, and b) feeling intense sympathetic angst for the Doctor. Mostly because Christopher Eccleston was so serious when talking about genocide with a giant ugly coffee machine and he was such a great actor that I had to take him seriously. How could I not, when he pulls such agony across his face? But otherwise I totally laughed at them.
I realize this is very much a generational and a cultural thing, since I never watched DW as a child and doubly so becaue I'm not British. So the reverence of tradition just goes right over my head. I am honestly getting a bit bored with the Daleks as villains now.
How about an original villain? The closest thing we've had to an original Big Bad with this show is Bad Wolf, and that's not even a real villain. But all the Big Bads: Daleks, Cybermen, The Master, etc... they're all classic DW. Why not something new? Let's let the fifth season of New Who have a totally original Big Bad.
Tennant: "Just in terms of acting a scene like that... If Rose is over there, and she's all you want in the universe, and you're desperate to get to her, you want to be able to run flat out, don't you."
::BASKING:: Yeah, they're all still shippers. Maybe I shouldn't have doubted RTD. Then again, they could still screw it up next episode.
All depends on how it plays out. I assume they'll still be separated again. How this occurrs is what I really am curious about. Although, 4x11 and 4x12 have seriously messed with my baby fanon ending of Doomsday. Because Rose would never go tromping around alternate universes if it meant leaving her kid behind. BUMMER! And that was such a good fanon theory, too. Perfectly balanced in the spaces between the words of their final conversation. One little lie, and the entire conversation changes and a whole separate fanon theory is born. Literally. And now that's gone... ::sigh:: Oh well.
I am amused that the Confidental has Cyndie Lauper's "Time After Time" playing for their reunion clips. And I love the camera shot that goes to the huge crowd cheering from the side of the set. Clearly, they wanted this scene too. One detail that I missed when watching the episode but caught here, and I'm not sure if it's because of the background noise or not, but in this scene in Confidential we can hear David Tennant's breathing as he runs. I like that. It sounds...real. Like the Doctor really is running and he really is that thrilled at the thought of seeing Rose again.
RTD: "And they run to each other like the biggest romance you've ever seen in your life." ... "...I think that should happen in most films, really." You know, I've been here before, in another fandom. That epic moment snatched away...
Because I remember the bee. Yes, THE BEE.
As any X Files fan knows: THAT FUCKING BEE. Clearly it was an alien conspiracy, as proven by the Doctor in this very episode.
I know that some fans on my flist aren't into Dr/Rose or don't like the character, but I still love her and I still love the romance. As long as the show holds to its own commitment with treating it as a romance, I will be happy. Because I watched it happen on screen and I believed it and even if they're separated I still want to enjoy that romance without having it be written off cheaply. I hope it gets treatment in 4x13 to match its previous gravity in 1x13 and 2x13.
Likewise, I want Donna to have fair treatment too. I don't want Rose's return to be the one-shot female who usurps the spotlight from the main companion.
I agree with RTD that Notting Hill would have been vastly improved if The Bumbler had been cut down by a Dalek.
If I were Billie Piper or DT on the set, I'd turn to other actor and say: "Let's give the audience over there a show!" Then we could fake-run at each other, have a huge hug, swirl romanticaly, then break out into the electric slide. On the abandonned streat of a dead world! It would be hilarious.
I've got to go check out the Confidential... I haven't watched any of those since the Confidential for Doomsday (2x13).
Wow, David Tennant's accent is slightly different. He slips back and forth when being interviewed between his Ten voice and his normal accent, which sounds Scotish to me.
A question: Is Dalek Caan something from Old Who episodes? I don't remember anything about a prophetic Dalek being mentioned in New Who before. And he is a prophet, right? It's hard to tell. But if I followed the conversation correctly, then Caan somehow saved Davros and Davros then rebuilt the Dalek race in a parallel universe, but Caan went insane because of it. Why does this "Caan" have an individual personality at all? None of the others do.
EDIT: Oh, the Confidential is explaining this. Caan was the black Dalek and the Dalek in season 3 that got away. I guess he somehow cheated and teleported into the time war just in time to retrieve Davros and presumably take him to an alternate universe.
A note on the Daleks and Whoverse villains: I have never, ever found the Daleks to be remotely threatening. When I first saw them in New Who episode 1x06, I thought they looked and sounded completely ridiculous. But I can tell from friends list commentary over the last three years and from the Confidentials that there is some kind of general reverence for them as villains. From fans and the new creators. They're always praising the Dalek design.
... Really? I think they look pretty stupid. But, you know, I'm not unhappy about that or anything because Doctor Who (2005+) is incredibly campy. It's only slightly less campy than Farscape, and that's mostly because Farscape was sillier, sexier,and nastier (oh man, imagine Captain Jack meeting the crew on Moya!) whereas Doctor Who is more family-friendly and more formulaic, and thus more light-hearted. I think that they designers deliberately go for more flamboyant "far out" designs than you'd get from a show like Battle Star Galactica. I laughed at the first Dalek, and the only reason I don't laugh at them this season is because if I laughed every time they were brought back in this show then I'd have a sore throat. The joke's a bit old. But the first time I saw the Dalek, in 1x06, I varried between a) laughing at the thing and it's ridiculously screetchy voice, and b) feeling intense sympathetic angst for the Doctor. Mostly because Christopher Eccleston was so serious when talking about genocide with a giant ugly coffee machine and he was such a great actor that I had to take him seriously. How could I not, when he pulls such agony across his face? But otherwise I totally laughed at them.
I realize this is very much a generational and a cultural thing, since I never watched DW as a child and doubly so becaue I'm not British. So the reverence of tradition just goes right over my head. I am honestly getting a bit bored with the Daleks as villains now.
How about an original villain? The closest thing we've had to an original Big Bad with this show is Bad Wolf, and that's not even a real villain. But all the Big Bads: Daleks, Cybermen, The Master, etc... they're all classic DW. Why not something new? Let's let the fifth season of New Who have a totally original Big Bad.
Tennant: "Just in terms of acting a scene like that... If Rose is over there, and she's all you want in the universe, and you're desperate to get to her, you want to be able to run flat out, don't you."
::BASKING:: Yeah, they're all still shippers. Maybe I shouldn't have doubted RTD. Then again, they could still screw it up next episode.
All depends on how it plays out. I assume they'll still be separated again. How this occurrs is what I really am curious about. Although, 4x11 and 4x12 have seriously messed with my baby fanon ending of Doomsday. Because Rose would never go tromping around alternate universes if it meant leaving her kid behind. BUMMER! And that was such a good fanon theory, too. Perfectly balanced in the spaces between the words of their final conversation. One little lie, and the entire conversation changes and a whole separate fanon theory is born. Literally. And now that's gone... ::sigh:: Oh well.
I am amused that the Confidental has Cyndie Lauper's "Time After Time" playing for their reunion clips. And I love the camera shot that goes to the huge crowd cheering from the side of the set. Clearly, they wanted this scene too. One detail that I missed when watching the episode but caught here, and I'm not sure if it's because of the background noise or not, but in this scene in Confidential we can hear David Tennant's breathing as he runs. I like that. It sounds...real. Like the Doctor really is running and he really is that thrilled at the thought of seeing Rose again.
RTD: "And they run to each other like the biggest romance you've ever seen in your life." ... "...I think that should happen in most films, really." You know, I've been here before, in another fandom. That epic moment snatched away...
Because I remember the bee. Yes, THE BEE.
As any X Files fan knows: THAT FUCKING BEE. Clearly it was an alien conspiracy, as proven by the Doctor in this very episode.
I know that some fans on my flist aren't into Dr/Rose or don't like the character, but I still love her and I still love the romance. As long as the show holds to its own commitment with treating it as a romance, I will be happy. Because I watched it happen on screen and I believed it and even if they're separated I still want to enjoy that romance without having it be written off cheaply. I hope it gets treatment in 4x13 to match its previous gravity in 1x13 and 2x13.
Likewise, I want Donna to have fair treatment too. I don't want Rose's return to be the one-shot female who usurps the spotlight from the main companion.
I agree with RTD that Notting Hill would have been vastly improved if The Bumbler had been cut down by a Dalek.
If I were Billie Piper or DT on the set, I'd turn to other actor and say: "Let's give the audience over there a show!" Then we could fake-run at each other, have a huge hug, swirl romanticaly, then break out into the electric slide. On the abandonned streat of a dead world! It would be hilarious.
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Date: 2008-07-05 03:14 am (UTC)The fact they keep bringing them back and bringing them back in even more and more ridiculous manners in the new series is what's degraded their chill factor. But am I hiding behind my sofa, though? No.
Frankly, I find the Cybermen to be the more disturbing of the iconic Who villains. Daleks just want to exterminate you, the Cybermen want to change you at a fundamental level, take away your individuality and identity. That's more frightening than death.
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Date: 2008-07-05 04:59 am (UTC)The Ood actually come off to me as much more disturbing, if only because they look genuinely ALIEN. And the Master was threatening because of his zeal. But the Daleks and Cybermen are too campy for me to get wound up in it.
I am very easily distracted by the visual effect of something... you could have Billie Piper give a legendary performance to a toaster and while everyone else is talking about the performance I'll keep getting distracted by the fact that she was talking to a toaster.
I found the Library shadows, the statues in Blink, and more eerie things like that to be more successfully "creepy", although they're still not what I'd rank as scary.