The lame thing about liking ST is that it's emphasizing the lack of direction in my current life and making me feel a distinct absence of career. All these characters are so talented! I hate it.
LOLOLOLOLOL there are worse things to reproach yourself for. ...or maybe better things.
POINT IS ICON LOVE also Jim Kirk is like a Matt-Damon-in-Good-Will-Hunting-level genius so you shouldn't feel too bad. I mean like if normal people were to decide to go into Starfleet on a whim it wouldn't work out so well.
I mean like if normal people were to decide to go into Starfleet on a whim it wouldn't work out so well.
I know, it's dispiriting! I'm reading all this fanfic where everyone's a genius (hell, in the movie, everyone's a genius), and it's like, "Doooooood, what if I want to explore the stars? I'm not a genius, but, you know, my IQ is about 128! That's like greater than 90% on the bell curve! WOULD THEY EVEN LET ME IN???"
Also, I'm having a job crisis at the moment so these feelings come and go.
Jim Kirk is like a Matt-Damon-in-Good-Will-Hunting-level genius so you shouldn't feel too bad
That was actually weird for me. I never, EVER got that from the ST movies before. I mean, have you seen Stargate: Atlantis? The "Kirk" like character who is the lead military guy, Colonel Sheppard, is hinted at in various points of the show to be very, very intelligent. He does really quick math, and qualified/offered entry into MENSA. So for him, I get it. ...but Kirk? I always thought of Kirk as more of a thug. Clever, but not book smart. Intelligent, intuitive, very creative, maybe even a think-around-the-corners type of brilliance, but not someone who makes daffodils of standardized tests.
I KNOW! Actually that's kind of how I feel about being an astronaut in general, especially now-a-days, when they don't really need things like "linguists" or "diplomatic personnel" and instead are looking for "scientists" and "engineers." ESPECIALLY coming from a town, uh, full of exactly those people. Curse you, faulty engineering genes! Why do you make me so rigidly structured but not make me good at upper-level calculus?
And yeah, I'm with you on that one--I was like, eh? Kirk is smart? I mean I guess he does figure out how to make a cannon work and stuff, and he's clever, but not...yeah. Not book-smart. (Unlike, say, Picard, going around and quoting Moby Dick oh I love that man.)
I guess they had to come up with a logical reason for how Kirk would even qualify to lead anything in the first place, or get entry into the Academy.
(Unlike, say, Picard, going around and quoting Moby Dick oh I love that man.)
WORD. If they said that about Picard, I'd be all "Oh, of course! That's right." Although, ironically, Picard *is* more of a liberal arts guy instead of a physicist. He talks his way out of everything! He knows art and philosophy! He's a diplomat! He probably has beautiful handwriting too, the jerk.
In canon, Kirk was very studius and something of a nerd at the acadamy. For instance, he was always picked on by Finigan for being too serious. There are several references to him spending his time at the acadamy with his nose in a book while the other cadets were out partying.
Kirk was much more technologically savvy than Picard. He always understood what his technical experts were talking about; unlike Picard.
Picard is much more politically savvy than Kirk. Picard was a better diplomat and more of what you'd expect a captain to be.
Random, but, I would feel so much safer on TNG's Enterprise than on the original. On the original, I'd constantly worry about some random whimsical decision Kirk makes might get me killed (in all canons for Kirk, this applies.)
Picard, though--I *know* Picard would want to rescue me! And even if I was the red shirt who gets swallowed by the black lake oil, or the yellow security shirt who gets shot down in a surprise attack the moment we hit the planet's surface, I would R.I.P. knowing that Picard would remember my first and last name, and write a glowing letter of my bravery to my parents, and probably arrange for a lovely wake in 10-Forward, and possibly write my kids recommendation letters for college.
You know, reading all those responses makes me nostalgic for older Trek. I never got into Voyager much (a season or 2, main characters) or Enterprise hardly at all (about half of season 1), but I saw probably the first four seasons of DS9. Yet, when I'm thinking of Star Trek shows in my head, my brain goes directly from TNG to Voyager and I always forget about DS9 entirely! Yet I remember it was a decent show, not one that deserves to be constantly overlooked.
I think I'm just better suited to later Treks. TOS feels so dated to me, probably because I was only ever REALLY familiar with the movies.
I'm reading all this fanfic where everyone's a genius (hell, in the movie, everyone's a genius), and it's like, "Doooooood, what if I want to explore the stars? I'm not a genius, but, you know, my IQ is about 128! That's like greater than 90% on the bell curve! WOULD THEY EVEN LET ME IN???"
OMG, yes! I haven't felt so cowed by a group of characters in quite a while. Maybe since being involved in The West Wing? Or reading a Dorothy Sayers book when the characters are quoting French medieval literature without translation. It is, as blacksquirrel once said, like realizing that, if I were miraculously transported into the world of Jane Austen, my background is such that I wouldn't be engaging in witty repartee with Mr. Darcy. No, I would be one of the invisible maids or washwomen or a cook at best.
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Date: 2009-05-27 05:57 am (UTC)POINT IS ICON LOVE also Jim Kirk is like a Matt-Damon-in-Good-Will-Hunting-level genius so you shouldn't feel too bad. I mean like if normal people were to decide to go into Starfleet on a whim it wouldn't work out so well.
(I loved the scene in this icon, and the music of the scene!)
Date: 2009-05-27 06:11 am (UTC)I know, it's dispiriting! I'm reading all this fanfic where everyone's a genius (hell, in the movie, everyone's a genius), and it's like, "Doooooood, what if I want to explore the stars? I'm not a genius, but, you know, my IQ is about 128! That's like greater than 90% on the bell curve! WOULD THEY EVEN LET ME IN???"
Also, I'm having a job crisis at the moment so these feelings come and go.
Jim Kirk is like a Matt-Damon-in-Good-Will-Hunting-level genius so you shouldn't feel too bad
That was actually weird for me. I never, EVER got that from the ST movies before. I mean, have you seen Stargate: Atlantis? The "Kirk" like character who is the lead military guy, Colonel Sheppard, is hinted at in various points of the show to be very, very intelligent. He does really quick math, and qualified/offered entry into MENSA. So for him, I get it. ...but Kirk? I always thought of Kirk as more of a thug. Clever, but not book smart. Intelligent, intuitive, very creative, maybe even a think-around-the-corners type of brilliance, but not someone who makes daffodils of standardized tests.
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Date: 2009-05-27 06:17 am (UTC)And yeah, I'm with you on that one--I was like, eh? Kirk is smart? I mean I guess he does figure out how to make a cannon work and stuff, and he's clever, but not...yeah. Not book-smart. (Unlike, say, Picard, going around and quoting Moby Dick oh I love that man.)
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Date: 2009-05-27 06:21 am (UTC)(Unlike, say, Picard, going around and quoting Moby Dick oh I love that man.)
WORD. If they said that about Picard, I'd be all "Oh, of course! That's right." Although, ironically, Picard *is* more of a liberal arts guy instead of a physicist. He talks his way out of everything! He knows art and philosophy! He's a diplomat! He probably has beautiful handwriting too, the jerk.
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Date: 2009-05-27 04:13 pm (UTC)Kirk was much more technologically savvy than Picard. He always understood what his technical experts were talking about; unlike Picard.
Picard is much more politically savvy than Kirk. Picard was a better diplomat and more of what you'd expect a captain to be.
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Date: 2009-05-27 06:27 am (UTC)Picard, though--I *know* Picard would want to rescue me! And even if I was the red shirt who gets swallowed by the black lake oil, or the yellow security shirt who gets shot down in a surprise attack the moment we hit the planet's surface, I would R.I.P. knowing that Picard would remember my first and last name, and write a glowing letter of my bravery to my parents, and probably arrange for a lovely wake in 10-Forward, and possibly write my kids recommendation letters for college.
Re: (I loved the scene in this icon, and the music of the scene!)
Date: 2009-05-27 06:34 am (UTC)Re: (I loved the scene in this icon, and the music of the scene!)
Date: 2009-05-27 07:59 am (UTC)Picard > Kirk
He's way older and bald and yet his character and intelligence actually, imo, makes him way sexier even than Kirk.
man it appears I am going to have a need for ST icons
Date: 2009-05-27 03:48 pm (UTC)Re: man it appears I am going to have a need for ST icons
Date: 2009-05-27 07:00 pm (UTC)You know, reading all those responses makes me nostalgic for older Trek. I never got into Voyager much (a season or 2, main characters) or Enterprise hardly at all (about half of season 1), but I saw probably the first four seasons of DS9. Yet, when I'm thinking of Star Trek shows in my head, my brain goes directly from TNG to Voyager and I always forget about DS9 entirely! Yet I remember it was a decent show, not one that deserves to be constantly overlooked.
I think I'm just better suited to later Treks. TOS feels so dated to me, probably because I was only ever REALLY familiar with the movies.
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Date: 2009-05-27 08:06 am (UTC)OMG, yes! I haven't felt so cowed by a group of characters in quite a while. Maybe since being involved in The West Wing? Or reading a Dorothy Sayers book when the characters are quoting French medieval literature without translation. It is, as
Oh, bitter pill!