found a good "Same Time, Same Place" essay
Oct. 9th, 2002 02:18 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
timepiececlockI just read this off crumbling walls, taken from another board before that.
It's an essay regarding last night's Buffy ep, "Same Time, Same Place."
I read it, and its managed to turn me mostly into an optimist again.
Go here to read it: :)
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Date Posted: 11:00:54 10/09/02 Wed
Author: shadowkat
Author Host/IP: 208.238.105.242
Subject: It's about point of view...(Spoiler's 7.3 and quite long)
Okay this is a five page essay and my first on this board for a long time. I'm trying to stay unspoiled for future epsiodes so I've stayed away from the board and only been posting on ATPo since it's completely spoiler free and into intellectual discussions on Buffy. But since I can't get on ATP today and I want some input - thought i'd try here.
Hope that's okay AngelX. Thanks for your indulgence!
It’s All About Your Point of View - (Spoilers 7.3! long)
(Not sure if this is redundant of not, I wrote this on the train this morning before reading the board and at work. And like most of my other posts an attempt to deal with something that bugged me.)
Whether you liked last night’s episode has a lot to do with whether you liked being in Willow and Xander’s limited pov all the way through it. I didn’t like it – but then the story arc I’m interested in right now, Willow and Xander aren’t exactly privy to.
Point of View is a film/literary technique that tells a narrative from a certain perspective, this can be from one person, two people, three, or omni (everyone). The more limiting the pov – the more frustrating it is on the reader or audience, since you only see things through the perspective you’re given. It’s a bit like having someone hand you a pair of glasses that are red – suddenly the world appears to be tinged in red. You can’t see any other color until you remove said glasses. According to the book I’m reading, Kant’s philosophy is that we cannot know what the world is like for anyone besides ourselves – we are limited by our point of view or by how things appear for us in time and space. If we put on a pair of red glasses – we see in red. “Everything (we) see is part of the world around (us), but how (we) see it is determined by the glasses (we) are wearing. So (we) cannot say the world is red even though (we) conceive it as being so.” (From Sophie’s World, A novel about the history of Philosophy by Jostein Gaarder (yes, I’m still reading it– just imagine how long it would take me to read Kant.). )
Another example – if a filmmaker chooses to place us inside just one character’s head – we are limited to just that character’s views, opinions, desires, and perspective on the world. We are not allowed to see beyond it. A great film (IMHO at least), Being John Malkovich explored what it would be like to suddenly find yourself physically inside someone else’s head. Without going into too much detail, the film is a fantasy piece about a bunch of people who physically journey through a tunnel and end up inside John Malkovich. Once inside him – they only see, feel and perceive the world through John Malkovich’s senses.
Btvs pulled a similar technique on us last night in episode 7.3: Same Time Same Place.
We found ourselves in this episode limited to seeing the story through one pair of eyes, well two pairs but never at the same time. I did not like this episode very much until it dawned on me early this morning why what I desired to see in the episode was missing. Why weren’t there any more slayers being killed? What did Buffy do about Spike? Does she even care? What a bitca! And what about Anya? The episode jarred me – because for the first time – we were no longer in Buffy’s point of view. Not once during this episode were we in Buffy’s pov. All we know or perceived of Buffy, Anya, Spike and Dawn was what Xander and Willow perceived. That’s right ME put us smack dab in the pov’s of the two people on the cliff in Grave.
ME used an interesting device to do this and they set it up in the very first scene, before the credits roll. It’s the scene that the title comes from. This technique is used four times.
It is called rewind and let’s see that from another point of view now, shall we?
We see the opening scene first through Xander’s eyes (or what appears to be Buffy/Xander/Dawn but I’m pretty sure the focal point is Xander) and then through Willow’s.
The first scene focuses on Xander’s nervousness. The camera highlights this by first focusing on the people disembarking from the plane and entering the airport – then swinging to Xander’s face then takes in Buffy and Dawn. Xander is holding a sign printed out in yellow crayon, which is barely visible to the viewer or Buffy. In fact Buffy or Dawn (doesn’t really matter which) states that Willow probably won’t be able to see it.
Xander worries that Willow won’t get the sign – and in his nervousness repeats a story he has clearly told ad nauseam. Dawn and Buffy also appear nervous – but Xander is not really privy to their thoughts. His focus is on Willow and his fear on how the other two will accept her back into the fold. He has already forgiven her, of course. But he’s not so sure about Buffy and Dawn. Xander is also the first to notice and comment on the fact that Willow isn’t coming out of the plane. In fact everyone has arrived but Willow.
Now we do something very interesting. We rewind and watch the whole scene again, but this round from Willow’s perspective. We see the exact same scene. The same people leave the plane. The only difference is a)We now see Willow and b) Buffy/Xander/Dawn are missing.
After setting up the gimmick, the writer and director continue to use it throughout the episode. Hence the title Same Time, Same Place. This gimmick is used to startling and from my perspective frustrating effect four times. The next one is in the house. We see Willow enter, wander about, struggle with the memory of Tara’s death – the first mention of it we’ve had all season. Hear a bang. Run downstairs. Find no one and fall asleep on the couch. Then we rewind and see Xander, Buffy, Dawn enter the house go upstairs, worry about what Willow is up to, and sit on the couch. Buffy is accusing Willow of being evil again or expresses her fears regarding it. Xander keeps defending her.
Xander clearly is terrified he’s lost Willow again. It is tempting to think we are in Buffy’s pov here – but we aren’t. We don’t see Buffy if Xander or Willow aren’t present. You could argue I suppose that B/D/X are a combined pov and I certainly thought so until I replayed the next two times ME repeats this technique.
The third time we see the rewind gimmick, Willow (after getting info from Anya – will get back to her later) has gone to hunt for Xander at his construction site. Instead she sees her worst nightmare. The skinned man. Willow’s worst nightmare is also Xander and Buffy’s. We rewind and see Xander and Buffy standing over the skinned man as well. And Buffy voices the fear that Willow did it. A fear Xander would rather not even contemplate. When I thought back on this scene I realized of the two characters – Xander was more wigged by the skinning in Season 6 then Buffy was. And the body appears at Xander’s workplace. Xander called Buffy. Xander is the one struggling here, while Buffy is clearly in slayer mode.
Willow now goes to the high school to hunt down Buffy and Xander. She can’t find them and figures maybe the basement. Anya after all had told her Spike was crazy down there and maybe Spike knows about the skinning or at least where Buffy and Xander are. Willow remember knows nothing about Spike except what Anya tells her. Forget what we learned last episode. All we know about Spike is what Willow has been told.
Willow talks to Spike who seems even nuttier than he was before. Half of what he says makes zero sense. The only thing she can figure out is that Buffy and Xander think she skinned and killed the man and she must prove her innocence. She also has a faint inkling that they don’t see her and she can’t see them. But it’s only an inkling nothing concrete.
Then we rewind and see the same scene from B/X, except if you watch it closely and then think about it, it’s not really from B/X, it’s only from Xander. Once I figured that out, I started liking Buffy again. Spike seems to be nuts. No mention is made of the soul. It’s not clear whether he is talking to Buffy or Willow about someone leaving. Xander thinks it’s Buffy and we like Xander aren’t clear what Buffy is talking about, she says very little nor does Xander care (forget what you saw last episode – you’re in Xander’s pov). Willow thinks he’s talking about her. (again in Willow’s pov.) From this scene – I think it’s pretty safe to assume that Buffy told Xander very little about what happened in the church and of course Willow knows nothing outside of the brief explanation Anya gave her. Buffy appears almost cold and contained in the scene. She appears to be treating Spike the same way she did in Normal Again, and every other scene where Xander was present. What we are seeing is Xander’s perception of Spike NOT Buffy’s. We have no clue what Buffy is thinking, we only know what Xander thinks she is thinking. We also have no clue what Spike is thinking. Just Xander. To Xander – Spike is an insane vampire/dog that can help them get information, nothing more. They are only talking to him to get that information. Remember Buffy did not tell Xander she saw Spike in the basement previously. When we rewind – we approach Spike through the eyes of Xander, we see the back of Buffy almost. We enter the cell, Spike is pacing and talking to someone. Xander assumes himself. It’s not until Spike mentions Witch that Xander and Buffy realize that Spike has seen Willow. And when he says something about blood and there not being any, they realize he knows something about the demon and can possibly be used to lead them there. We aren’t given any additional info on Spike – because of whose point of view we’re in. Xander’s.
The final time we do the rewind – is in the cave, with Willow entering it and confronting the demon at the same time as Xander, Buffy and Dawn. Dawn gets hurt. They seal the cave. Willow is stuck inside. I kept wondering what the heck happened to Spike. But that again makes sense. If Buffy pulled him aside or spoke to him or saw him take off, we wouldn’t know about it. We’re in Xander’s pov. Xander’s focus is his fear of this demon who skins people and his relief it’s not Willow. Spike means zip to Xander. All Xander cares about right now is Willow and this demon that terrifies him.
Each episode has a demon representing the focus characters fears. In Lessons it was the three people Buffy failed to save and Buffy and Dawn’s fears regarding Dawn surviving SHS and Buffy being able to protect her. In Beneath You it was the worm that Buffy and Spike feared he’d become and that it would devour them both. In Same Time Same Place it is the skinning demon that represents what Willow did and is Willow and Xander’s fears about Willow enjoying torturing Warren and the fact they both felt Warren deserved it.
Anya is quite interesting in this episode. Because we are now in Willow and Xander’s pov, we actually see a nicer side of Anya. A more human side. Anya clearly is no longer happy being a vengeance demon. She and Willow actually bond here. She wishes Willow was less accommodating – it’s makes it hard for Anya to feel angry to want to punish her. Willow wants to be punished and Anya has grown tired of punishing people. Vengeance, Anya tells Willow, has lost it’s appeal, she no longer enjoys it as much as she used to. This surprises Willow a little but Willow also gets it – and it is an important conversation to have at this point – because Anya is expressing aloud something that Willow has probably thought a great deal about. Vengeance in theory seems wonderful but somehow when enacted? Doesn’t bring much satisfaction. Willow and Anya both have lost more due to vengeance than they gained. Anya is also seen from Xander’s perspective as helping them – she comes to their aid and genuinely cares about Willow. Tells them about the demon and how badly hurt Willow is and when she realizes they can’t see Willow – goes for help. From Xander’s pov – we see Anya is still the Anya he fell in love with. Last week when we were mostly in Spike/Buffy’s point of view – Anya was more of a vengeance demon.
Anya and Spike are the only one’s who appear to see Willow. Both attempt to help in their own ways. How this comes across has a great deal to do with whose pov we are in. Willow has neutral feelings towards Spike and is pretty much self-absorbed in this episode. Her primarily focus is on her fear, desire to hide from her friends, and clear herself of suspicion. Willow is not afraid of Anya or Spike nor does she care what they think of her. Her feelings towards both are fairly neutral. It’s Buffy, Dawn and Xander that scare Willow. And in typical Willow fashion – she hides. Before seeing this episode, I re-watched School Hard, where Spike first comes to town and tries to kill all of them at a Parent/Teacher conference. When Xander and Willow learn about Spike’s plans, Willow’s first response is “can we hide?”, Xander’s is “what about a vacation?”
Willow spends most of the episode hiding in a closet. Is it any wonder – that when faced with her friends’ reactions to her crimes – her first unconscious response is to hide, via magic? She uses magic much like Spike used clothes in Beneath You, to hide from the people she loved. Both Spike and Willow have a desire to hide. Anya also wants to hide, behind her demon visage. To retreat from the pain Xander’s rejection caused. But hiding doesn’t help any of them. Willow’s attempt to hide places her in the hands of the demon who tortures her in much the same way she tortured Warren. Willow discovers in this episode what we’ve known all along – she is her own worst enemy. No one can hurt Willow more than Willow. And what she feared most? Buffy’s inability to forgive her?
Turns out not to be such a major problem after all.
Throughout the episode Buffy is presented as unforgiving and the cool aloof slayer/ hero Buffy. I kept wanting to bash her over the head with a stick. (Sorry, the Buffy that Willow and Xander perceive annoys me.) At the end of the episode, Buffy confronts Willow in her room. Willow jumps slightly. Buffy joins her. Listens to her. And offers to give Willow some of her strength. Taking Willow’s hands in hers. It is the first time during this episode that I saw compassion from Buffy, because finally Willow sees it and realizes that Buffy can forgive even her. Willow just had to stop hiding long enough to find out. It’s similar to the end of Willow’s dream in Restless when Buffy rips off Willow’s wiccan costume revealing the true Willow underneath. Except in Same Time Same Place Willow does it herself.
Okay end of my take on the episode. Hmmm…I find myself liking it better in retrospect than I did while watching it. Maybe that’s because I was resisting the point of view?
Any feedback, thoughts, arguments??
Thanks for indulging me.
-shadowkat
It's an essay regarding last night's Buffy ep, "Same Time, Same Place."
I read it, and its managed to turn me mostly into an optimist again.
Go here to read it: :)
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Date Posted: 11:00:54 10/09/02 Wed
Author: shadowkat
Author Host/IP: 208.238.105.242
Subject: It's about point of view...(Spoiler's 7.3 and quite long)
Okay this is a five page essay and my first on this board for a long time. I'm trying to stay unspoiled for future epsiodes so I've stayed away from the board and only been posting on ATPo since it's completely spoiler free and into intellectual discussions on Buffy. But since I can't get on ATP today and I want some input - thought i'd try here.
Hope that's okay AngelX. Thanks for your indulgence!
It’s All About Your Point of View - (Spoilers 7.3! long)
(Not sure if this is redundant of not, I wrote this on the train this morning before reading the board and at work. And like most of my other posts an attempt to deal with something that bugged me.)
Whether you liked last night’s episode has a lot to do with whether you liked being in Willow and Xander’s limited pov all the way through it. I didn’t like it – but then the story arc I’m interested in right now, Willow and Xander aren’t exactly privy to.
Point of View is a film/literary technique that tells a narrative from a certain perspective, this can be from one person, two people, three, or omni (everyone). The more limiting the pov – the more frustrating it is on the reader or audience, since you only see things through the perspective you’re given. It’s a bit like having someone hand you a pair of glasses that are red – suddenly the world appears to be tinged in red. You can’t see any other color until you remove said glasses. According to the book I’m reading, Kant’s philosophy is that we cannot know what the world is like for anyone besides ourselves – we are limited by our point of view or by how things appear for us in time and space. If we put on a pair of red glasses – we see in red. “Everything (we) see is part of the world around (us), but how (we) see it is determined by the glasses (we) are wearing. So (we) cannot say the world is red even though (we) conceive it as being so.” (From Sophie’s World, A novel about the history of Philosophy by Jostein Gaarder (yes, I’m still reading it– just imagine how long it would take me to read Kant.). )
Another example – if a filmmaker chooses to place us inside just one character’s head – we are limited to just that character’s views, opinions, desires, and perspective on the world. We are not allowed to see beyond it. A great film (IMHO at least), Being John Malkovich explored what it would be like to suddenly find yourself physically inside someone else’s head. Without going into too much detail, the film is a fantasy piece about a bunch of people who physically journey through a tunnel and end up inside John Malkovich. Once inside him – they only see, feel and perceive the world through John Malkovich’s senses.
Btvs pulled a similar technique on us last night in episode 7.3: Same Time Same Place.
We found ourselves in this episode limited to seeing the story through one pair of eyes, well two pairs but never at the same time. I did not like this episode very much until it dawned on me early this morning why what I desired to see in the episode was missing. Why weren’t there any more slayers being killed? What did Buffy do about Spike? Does she even care? What a bitca! And what about Anya? The episode jarred me – because for the first time – we were no longer in Buffy’s point of view. Not once during this episode were we in Buffy’s pov. All we know or perceived of Buffy, Anya, Spike and Dawn was what Xander and Willow perceived. That’s right ME put us smack dab in the pov’s of the two people on the cliff in Grave.
ME used an interesting device to do this and they set it up in the very first scene, before the credits roll. It’s the scene that the title comes from. This technique is used four times.
It is called rewind and let’s see that from another point of view now, shall we?
We see the opening scene first through Xander’s eyes (or what appears to be Buffy/Xander/Dawn but I’m pretty sure the focal point is Xander) and then through Willow’s.
The first scene focuses on Xander’s nervousness. The camera highlights this by first focusing on the people disembarking from the plane and entering the airport – then swinging to Xander’s face then takes in Buffy and Dawn. Xander is holding a sign printed out in yellow crayon, which is barely visible to the viewer or Buffy. In fact Buffy or Dawn (doesn’t really matter which) states that Willow probably won’t be able to see it.
Xander worries that Willow won’t get the sign – and in his nervousness repeats a story he has clearly told ad nauseam. Dawn and Buffy also appear nervous – but Xander is not really privy to their thoughts. His focus is on Willow and his fear on how the other two will accept her back into the fold. He has already forgiven her, of course. But he’s not so sure about Buffy and Dawn. Xander is also the first to notice and comment on the fact that Willow isn’t coming out of the plane. In fact everyone has arrived but Willow.
Now we do something very interesting. We rewind and watch the whole scene again, but this round from Willow’s perspective. We see the exact same scene. The same people leave the plane. The only difference is a)We now see Willow and b) Buffy/Xander/Dawn are missing.
After setting up the gimmick, the writer and director continue to use it throughout the episode. Hence the title Same Time, Same Place. This gimmick is used to startling and from my perspective frustrating effect four times. The next one is in the house. We see Willow enter, wander about, struggle with the memory of Tara’s death – the first mention of it we’ve had all season. Hear a bang. Run downstairs. Find no one and fall asleep on the couch. Then we rewind and see Xander, Buffy, Dawn enter the house go upstairs, worry about what Willow is up to, and sit on the couch. Buffy is accusing Willow of being evil again or expresses her fears regarding it. Xander keeps defending her.
Xander clearly is terrified he’s lost Willow again. It is tempting to think we are in Buffy’s pov here – but we aren’t. We don’t see Buffy if Xander or Willow aren’t present. You could argue I suppose that B/D/X are a combined pov and I certainly thought so until I replayed the next two times ME repeats this technique.
The third time we see the rewind gimmick, Willow (after getting info from Anya – will get back to her later) has gone to hunt for Xander at his construction site. Instead she sees her worst nightmare. The skinned man. Willow’s worst nightmare is also Xander and Buffy’s. We rewind and see Xander and Buffy standing over the skinned man as well. And Buffy voices the fear that Willow did it. A fear Xander would rather not even contemplate. When I thought back on this scene I realized of the two characters – Xander was more wigged by the skinning in Season 6 then Buffy was. And the body appears at Xander’s workplace. Xander called Buffy. Xander is the one struggling here, while Buffy is clearly in slayer mode.
Willow now goes to the high school to hunt down Buffy and Xander. She can’t find them and figures maybe the basement. Anya after all had told her Spike was crazy down there and maybe Spike knows about the skinning or at least where Buffy and Xander are. Willow remember knows nothing about Spike except what Anya tells her. Forget what we learned last episode. All we know about Spike is what Willow has been told.
Willow talks to Spike who seems even nuttier than he was before. Half of what he says makes zero sense. The only thing she can figure out is that Buffy and Xander think she skinned and killed the man and she must prove her innocence. She also has a faint inkling that they don’t see her and she can’t see them. But it’s only an inkling nothing concrete.
Then we rewind and see the same scene from B/X, except if you watch it closely and then think about it, it’s not really from B/X, it’s only from Xander. Once I figured that out, I started liking Buffy again. Spike seems to be nuts. No mention is made of the soul. It’s not clear whether he is talking to Buffy or Willow about someone leaving. Xander thinks it’s Buffy and we like Xander aren’t clear what Buffy is talking about, she says very little nor does Xander care (forget what you saw last episode – you’re in Xander’s pov). Willow thinks he’s talking about her. (again in Willow’s pov.) From this scene – I think it’s pretty safe to assume that Buffy told Xander very little about what happened in the church and of course Willow knows nothing outside of the brief explanation Anya gave her. Buffy appears almost cold and contained in the scene. She appears to be treating Spike the same way she did in Normal Again, and every other scene where Xander was present. What we are seeing is Xander’s perception of Spike NOT Buffy’s. We have no clue what Buffy is thinking, we only know what Xander thinks she is thinking. We also have no clue what Spike is thinking. Just Xander. To Xander – Spike is an insane vampire/dog that can help them get information, nothing more. They are only talking to him to get that information. Remember Buffy did not tell Xander she saw Spike in the basement previously. When we rewind – we approach Spike through the eyes of Xander, we see the back of Buffy almost. We enter the cell, Spike is pacing and talking to someone. Xander assumes himself. It’s not until Spike mentions Witch that Xander and Buffy realize that Spike has seen Willow. And when he says something about blood and there not being any, they realize he knows something about the demon and can possibly be used to lead them there. We aren’t given any additional info on Spike – because of whose point of view we’re in. Xander’s.
The final time we do the rewind – is in the cave, with Willow entering it and confronting the demon at the same time as Xander, Buffy and Dawn. Dawn gets hurt. They seal the cave. Willow is stuck inside. I kept wondering what the heck happened to Spike. But that again makes sense. If Buffy pulled him aside or spoke to him or saw him take off, we wouldn’t know about it. We’re in Xander’s pov. Xander’s focus is his fear of this demon who skins people and his relief it’s not Willow. Spike means zip to Xander. All Xander cares about right now is Willow and this demon that terrifies him.
Each episode has a demon representing the focus characters fears. In Lessons it was the three people Buffy failed to save and Buffy and Dawn’s fears regarding Dawn surviving SHS and Buffy being able to protect her. In Beneath You it was the worm that Buffy and Spike feared he’d become and that it would devour them both. In Same Time Same Place it is the skinning demon that represents what Willow did and is Willow and Xander’s fears about Willow enjoying torturing Warren and the fact they both felt Warren deserved it.
Anya is quite interesting in this episode. Because we are now in Willow and Xander’s pov, we actually see a nicer side of Anya. A more human side. Anya clearly is no longer happy being a vengeance demon. She and Willow actually bond here. She wishes Willow was less accommodating – it’s makes it hard for Anya to feel angry to want to punish her. Willow wants to be punished and Anya has grown tired of punishing people. Vengeance, Anya tells Willow, has lost it’s appeal, she no longer enjoys it as much as she used to. This surprises Willow a little but Willow also gets it – and it is an important conversation to have at this point – because Anya is expressing aloud something that Willow has probably thought a great deal about. Vengeance in theory seems wonderful but somehow when enacted? Doesn’t bring much satisfaction. Willow and Anya both have lost more due to vengeance than they gained. Anya is also seen from Xander’s perspective as helping them – she comes to their aid and genuinely cares about Willow. Tells them about the demon and how badly hurt Willow is and when she realizes they can’t see Willow – goes for help. From Xander’s pov – we see Anya is still the Anya he fell in love with. Last week when we were mostly in Spike/Buffy’s point of view – Anya was more of a vengeance demon.
Anya and Spike are the only one’s who appear to see Willow. Both attempt to help in their own ways. How this comes across has a great deal to do with whose pov we are in. Willow has neutral feelings towards Spike and is pretty much self-absorbed in this episode. Her primarily focus is on her fear, desire to hide from her friends, and clear herself of suspicion. Willow is not afraid of Anya or Spike nor does she care what they think of her. Her feelings towards both are fairly neutral. It’s Buffy, Dawn and Xander that scare Willow. And in typical Willow fashion – she hides. Before seeing this episode, I re-watched School Hard, where Spike first comes to town and tries to kill all of them at a Parent/Teacher conference. When Xander and Willow learn about Spike’s plans, Willow’s first response is “can we hide?”, Xander’s is “what about a vacation?”
Willow spends most of the episode hiding in a closet. Is it any wonder – that when faced with her friends’ reactions to her crimes – her first unconscious response is to hide, via magic? She uses magic much like Spike used clothes in Beneath You, to hide from the people she loved. Both Spike and Willow have a desire to hide. Anya also wants to hide, behind her demon visage. To retreat from the pain Xander’s rejection caused. But hiding doesn’t help any of them. Willow’s attempt to hide places her in the hands of the demon who tortures her in much the same way she tortured Warren. Willow discovers in this episode what we’ve known all along – she is her own worst enemy. No one can hurt Willow more than Willow. And what she feared most? Buffy’s inability to forgive her?
Turns out not to be such a major problem after all.
Throughout the episode Buffy is presented as unforgiving and the cool aloof slayer/ hero Buffy. I kept wanting to bash her over the head with a stick. (Sorry, the Buffy that Willow and Xander perceive annoys me.) At the end of the episode, Buffy confronts Willow in her room. Willow jumps slightly. Buffy joins her. Listens to her. And offers to give Willow some of her strength. Taking Willow’s hands in hers. It is the first time during this episode that I saw compassion from Buffy, because finally Willow sees it and realizes that Buffy can forgive even her. Willow just had to stop hiding long enough to find out. It’s similar to the end of Willow’s dream in Restless when Buffy rips off Willow’s wiccan costume revealing the true Willow underneath. Except in Same Time Same Place Willow does it herself.
Okay end of my take on the episode. Hmmm…I find myself liking it better in retrospect than I did while watching it. Maybe that’s because I was resisting the point of view?
Any feedback, thoughts, arguments??
Thanks for indulging me.
-shadowkat
