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::balks at this last comment... not the words themselves but at the presumptuousness and asineness of the purpose behind the comment itself::

Um, excuse me?

Okay, jackass, first things first. I don't do anything anyone tells me to do if they don't have the balls to use a name. Anonymity is worth crap shit in my book.

Secondly, as much as you may not like the idea, crediting icons in keywords is an option, not a necessity. Hypothetically, if I didn't like the way the extra names looked on my icon page, I could go without them, and you would just have to deal with it. That is not the case here, obviously, having credited people before as I have, but if I choose to credit an icon I do so because I want to be polite, which happens most of the time, and if I have the person's name and/or if they request it. If I don't credit an icon, it's probably because I don't remember who made it, or the person didn't demand credit in keywords.

Thirdly, what the fuck are you? Random icon police? If it's not your icon creation, bugger off. I don't claim that icon as mine, I haven't since I started using it and I haven't when people have asked. But neither am I going to credit to any name you tell me just because you, who have nothing to do with the making of the icon, decide to randomly and bizarrely comment anonymously on my journal and order me to write a credit to some random name who may or may NOT actually have anything to do with said icon.

Fourthly, don't order people around.

Fifthly, don't order people around on issues that aren't your business.

Sixly, don't order people around but leave neither name nor contact information. Coward.

Edit-- It looks like the person the Cowardly Commentor thinks I should credit IS NOT EVEN the original iconmaker.
Figures.
Cowardly Commentor: go the fuck away.

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From:

octopedingenue

When I make an icon and offer it for public use, I always request credit, because I admit I get annoyed sometimes when I see someone using one of my icons without credit, so asking for credit heads most of that off at the pass. Also, I always save borrowed icons to my harddrive with a filename incorporating the maker's LJ username (spikeicon_rashaka.jpg or something) so I can remember who made them, and I always credit icons with the makers' usernames in my userpic-keywords (with the usernames in parentheses, because it's more aesthetically pleasing--any icon in my userpics without a parenthetical name is one I made). I do this because my Inner English Major screams out at me when I don't. I hafta document EVERYTHING. ;P To me, if I don't credit an icon, it's like I'm writing an English paper and quoting a paragraph in its entirety from one of my sources, and then saying "Wow, isn't this an awesome paragraph? I didn't write it, but it's so awesome I had to use it. Don't ask me where I found it, though, 'cause I have no clue!" It's not really plagiarism, per se, because I'm not claiming that I wrote that paragraph, but it'll still get my ass bitchslapped up and down Main Street by any English professor who's half-awake.

From:

rashaka.livejournal.com

I would say that you are probably in the mainstream opinion with that sentiment. I don't really get guilty feelings for not crediting in keyword as long as I can give credit verbally when asked, but since it's become the standard of the LJ community to give keyword credit I've started to bow to that and save icons with the maker in the file name. However about 70% of my icons were saved before I started doing that regularly, and I don't feel particularly guilty about not knowing who made them in hindsight.

I sort of go by the honor system myself-- I don't care if people put my username in the keyword as long as they don't go claiming they made it. I couldn't know or stop them if they did, but that's the honor part. But it seems iconmaking has become such an art thing now that it really matters to a lot of people that they have their name attached.

Like I said, I'm starting to bow to peer pressure and emerging LJ ettiquette in that regard. But most of it still seems "no big deal" to me, which is probably why I take affront at the person's comment.

Now, if it had been the iconmaker themselves asking me, well then I would have changed it immediately and not given it another thought.

But this... argh. Stupid people doing things I can't fathom reasons for. Who goes around and randomly checks people for icon credit? Who wastes their time doing that? Why was I so unlucky as to get chosen for the daily annoyance?

From:

spikespeigel.livejournal.com

Hmm, that seems an awfully caustic response to one that wasn't initially. Not really sure what the problem is other than the anonymity. The person asked in a friendly tone to credit the creator. Don't know if the creator originally asked for credit in his/her initial post, but it really isn't that big a deal to credit an icon. Had the poster been outright rude about the issue, I could see your case, but as it is, I think you're blowing things way out of proportion. But, that's just me.

From:

rashaka.livejournal.com

Yeah, I got pissy about it last night...early this morning actually.

But really, I hate people telling what to do when they have no right to. He or she could have been telling me to eat asparagus and they might have gotten a similar minded rant.

From:

rashaka.livejournal.com

eh... I decided you were right about the caustic factor, and LJ-cut it. I'm still hella irritated though. It's like they had a relatively harmless comment, but managed to accidentally all things that piss me off.

From:

thisficklemob.livejournal.com

To be honest, from this post, I expected the comment you got to be much worse than it was. Ok, so it could be read as kinda snooty, and also kinda uncalled for butting-in... not to mention, if you're going to request credit, you should damn well give the right source name... but I was really expecting something much more sarcastic and not involving the word "please."

Not that you don't have the right to be annoyed. Just my $0.02.

From:

thisficklemob.livejournal.com

Early on, I didn't know how to credit icons in keywords, let alone that I was supposed to, and so I didn't. I didn't also save them with who-made-them names either, so I now have a lot of icons saved to disk I have no idea (or only vague ideas) who made them. But on reflection I probably would get annoyed if somebody I didn't know came and complained. The maker... or somebody I did know... that's totally different.

From:

rashaka.livejournal.com

I expected the comment you got to be much worse than it was. Ok, so it could be read as kinda snooty, and also kinda uncalled for butting-in... not to mention, if you're going to request credit, you should damn well give the right source name... but I was really expecting something much more sarcastic and not involving the word "please."

Yeah. I acknowledge the validity of the opinion that I was overreacting (hence my later lj-cutting of the post and adding a warning in the subject line), but the comment just set me off. Yeah, they did say please, but saying please or not wasn't really what set me off about the comment.

It was mostly:

But on reflection I probably would get annoyed if somebody I didn't know came and complained. The maker... or somebody I did know... that's totally different.

Basically I felt like I was being perfunctorily scolded (please or no please) by someone who had no business scolding me, and prompted by no recognizable purpose or reason. It was so out of the blue, coming from nowhere, and it wasn't like it was their icon (my reaction would have been completely different, actually I would have had probably no reaction at all and just changed it), and so... ugh. Even though it was polite, the intention behind the tone of it just makes me grit my teeth. And the fact that they would waste space on my journal for something so pointless.

Of course, I have since wasted more journal space ranting about it, but hey, that's what journals are for. For me to rant, not for me to go randomly scold people on their journals for something that's none of my business and I can't prove anyway.

Early on, I didn't know how to credit icons in keywords, let alone that I was supposed to, and so I didn't. I didn't also save them with who-made-them names either, so I now have a lot of icons saved to disk I have no idea (or only vague ideas) who made them.

Same here. For a long time I thought "give credit" meant be sure to tell people who ask that you didn't make it-- it wasn't until around 4 months ago that I started actually crediting sometimes in keywords. And now I have a bunch that aren't credited because I don't remember.

From:

thisficklemob.livejournal.com

I totally get it – it was kind of a drive by scolding. I thought credit meant the same thing you did, because I didn't know other people could even see your icon names/notes. I mean, I never bothered to look at anyone else's. I still haven't. :D

And you're right about icon culture seeming to have changed... but I think it's also people are getting more and more elaborate with effects and brushes and layers and it's all Art now, where before it was like... take a screencap, crop, label, voila! At least it looked that way to the casual observer... I learned better when I tried to make my own icons. ;)