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So, is it just me, or does The Doctor in Dr. Who (9th, cause that's the only one I know), remind anyone of a much older, much wiser, much more experienced, and somewhat more bitter...

...Vash The Stampede?

You know, with the pacifism, the giddy joy of life, the wanderlust and the I'm-older-than-I-look-even-though-I-can-tell-you-forget-it-sometimes angst.

Nah. Nevermind. The real miracle would be if there's anyone on my flist who actually knows who BOTH those characters are.

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mswyrr

I've been downloading old Doctor stuff but haven't really watched any yet, so I can't comment. I don't know what the other Doctors would say about Ten... I think Nine would understand (the Doctor's hubris-tinted desire to Fix Things is, after all, the holdover from Nine's losses and how emotionally "lost" Nine was), but I couldn't guess as to how Eight would react. Worry? I don't think he'd be "horrified", but I do think he'd be very concerned.

I might be projecting my own horror. But I did see Four's actions in Genesis of the Daleks as an abnegation of power. In his speech at the end, I got the impression that he thought the universe should be allowed to develop as it will, within reason. A lot of his stories were about preventing other people, the villains of the piece, from mucking with the natural course of history/existence. He stepped in when he saw a wrong being commited, but he limited himself in scale.

The big change came when the Eighth Doctor decided that the universe wasn't doing all right on its own. We haven't gotten much info re: how he came to his decision in canon, but I have a pet theory that the weapons of war the Daleks and Timelords were using were killing the universe, making it uninhabitable. Everything has a time, and everything dies. Maybe that was meant to be the end of the universe, the final war. But he couldn't accept that. He intervened, destroying two civilizations and the entire timeline. And now he's not in the universe/timeline he was born (loomed? created?) into anymore. He's in a universe of his own making. He can't see existence as it is as the final authority anymore because he *made it* as it is. It's his. He is the final authority. And if he can make it, he can make it what he wants it to be, given the chance.

Basically, he has become a deeply frightening being.

I did watch the 6 minute clip of the scene where Sarah Jane left, though. I thought her talking to the Doctor and him not hearing her was cute (in a sitcom way), but I was kind of put off by her "I'm leaving" game of chicken. It seemed a lot more immature than what I'm used to seeing from Rose, and she looked about the same age as Rose. ...Also, I hate people who play emotional games like that. I can't stand people who do that shit-- and I say games because at first I thought she really was leaving, but it was clear from her reaction to his news that she just wanted him to convince her to stay. :frown: That bugs me.

Hmm. I thought the worst thing about that bit was that they didn't just have her exit, they assassinated her character while they did it. It really didn't seem in character to me. Though, I do think she loved him, and I can imagine how loving the Fourth Doctor, who was so distant and unreachable compared to Rose's Doctors, would drive a girl a little crazy.

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I might be projecting my own horror. But I did see Four's actions in Genesis of the Daleks as an abnegation of power. In his speech at the end, I got the impression that he thought the universe should be allowed to develop as it will, within reason. A lot of his stories were about preventing other people, the villains of the piece, from mucking with the natural course of history/existence. He stepped in when he saw a wrong being commited, but he limited himself in scale.

Well, as Ten said, "I'm so old. I used to have so much mercy." Perhaps it's simply that time really has changed him that much. And it's not better or worse; it's just change.

Then again I'm also wondering if the Doctor's being set up for a fall of some sort at the end of the season.

I love your pet theories on Eight. Gah, I just loved Eight. And I'm *still* enamored with the mind-bogglingly idea of Eight being the one that did the war, and all that implies (still having seen only the movies.) I know we've discussed that a lot before, but the angst and tragedy in that thought still makes me squee.

I thought the worst thing about that bit was that they didn't just have her exit, they assassinated her character while they did it. It really didn't seem in character to me.

It's good to know she isn't like that all the time then. I did really like her in the new ep.

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mswyrr

I love your pet theories on Eight. Gah, I just loved Eight. And I'm *still* enamored with the mind-bogglingly idea of Eight being the one that did the war, and all that implies (still having seen only the movies.) I know we've discussed that a lot before, but the angst and tragedy in that thought still makes me squee.

Mmm, yeah. It's an enduring fascination with me, too. I don't know if you've seen it, but