Buffy speculation
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timepiececlockan addendum to my previous post~
"ASK ME A RIDDLE," Blaine invited.
"Fuck you," Roland said. He did not raise his voice.
--Wizard and Glass, Stephen King (4th of the Dark Tower books)
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now, onto the rest
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Ok, point of thought:
About the possible foreshadowing of Spike's death this season, especially in a self-sacrificial light. (cross, BY, over-amount of torture)
Really, if they wanted that, couldn't they have sacrificed him in The Gift? I mean, hello--- drink Dawn's blood. Jump off tower into lightning inferno, and stake self mid-fall.
ProBLEM solved.
No messy resurrection issues, and self-sacrifice made and stuff.
Also, I not only don't like the Spike/death idea because I want Spike's character to be alive, but also for Buffy's sake. It would appear to even the most jaundiced anti-B/S fan by now that Spufy romance, or the implication of future Spuffy romance, is something that ME is doing this season. And after all that build up, wouldn't it be horrendously cruel to rip Buffy's heart out AGAIN?
I mean, I know that ME is into the whole tragic comedy thing, and that angst is their writer's lifeblood, but I've had the impression that they mean to show the pain of living along with the joy of it, and to show that living, and loving, is hard. But I never got the feeling that they would kill off characters or make them miserable forever-- it was more of a journey thing. With the idea that you suffer greatly, but that there is hope and love still to be found in the world and people around you. And there is a point when one can overdo trajedy so much that it becomes comedic instead of heart-felt.
I keep thinking about it, and that's why I can't imagine them doing a Spike-self-sacrifice plotline. So Buffy loves yet ANOTHER lover? Possibly the second great love of her life? In the end of the final season? It'd be... a joke. Stupid. I'd look at the screen and go, "the Hell?" It would be like saying the whole show's theme was that you can't find love or happiness--ever, that anyone who does always looses it, and that a hero is always punished for loving. To say that if your work hard for a relationship and you manage to make it real, make it finally good, that it will only be destroyed or taken away soon after.
That'd be a crappy-ass theme. And I think ME is better than that. That'd be like... well, like magic starlight stealing away your sister, because the aliens were too obvious a plot twist by now.
"ASK ME A RIDDLE," Blaine invited.
"Fuck you," Roland said. He did not raise his voice.
--Wizard and Glass, Stephen King (4th of the Dark Tower books)
-----------------------
now, onto the rest
-----------------------
Ok, point of thought:
About the possible foreshadowing of Spike's death this season, especially in a self-sacrificial light. (cross, BY, over-amount of torture)
Really, if they wanted that, couldn't they have sacrificed him in The Gift? I mean, hello--- drink Dawn's blood. Jump off tower into lightning inferno, and stake self mid-fall.
ProBLEM solved.
No messy resurrection issues, and self-sacrifice made and stuff.
Also, I not only don't like the Spike/death idea because I want Spike's character to be alive, but also for Buffy's sake. It would appear to even the most jaundiced anti-B/S fan by now that Spufy romance, or the implication of future Spuffy romance, is something that ME is doing this season. And after all that build up, wouldn't it be horrendously cruel to rip Buffy's heart out AGAIN?
I mean, I know that ME is into the whole tragic comedy thing, and that angst is their writer's lifeblood, but I've had the impression that they mean to show the pain of living along with the joy of it, and to show that living, and loving, is hard. But I never got the feeling that they would kill off characters or make them miserable forever-- it was more of a journey thing. With the idea that you suffer greatly, but that there is hope and love still to be found in the world and people around you. And there is a point when one can overdo trajedy so much that it becomes comedic instead of heart-felt.
I keep thinking about it, and that's why I can't imagine them doing a Spike-self-sacrifice plotline. So Buffy loves yet ANOTHER lover? Possibly the second great love of her life? In the end of the final season? It'd be... a joke. Stupid. I'd look at the screen and go, "the Hell?" It would be like saying the whole show's theme was that you can't find love or happiness--ever, that anyone who does always looses it, and that a hero is always punished for loving. To say that if your work hard for a relationship and you manage to make it real, make it finally good, that it will only be destroyed or taken away soon after.
That'd be a crappy-ass theme. And I think ME is better than that. That'd be like... well, like magic starlight stealing away your sister, because the aliens were too obvious a plot twist by now.
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Re: Another way to look at it…
Date: 2003-01-27 11:56 am (UTC)Tristan and Iseult
Moulin Rouge
Love Story (I mean the film/book)
Lancelot and Genieve (damnn how do you spell her name?)
And thats before breaking into classical mythology (where the lovers almost always seem to end up as stars), Celtic mythology (where your not in love UNTIL your sweet heart dies)or folktales!
"And then HE did it for love of Buffy too, remember?"
That was my point. It wasn't enough for Angel to save the world for buffy, so i really do not believe it is enough for Spike (he has to go to hell and then get his own spin off series...ok just joking, but you get my point). He has to suffer more as yet (although all credit to him for skiping out the "oh-how-horrible-it-is-to-be-a-broody-me" stage ).
I know if he lives he could be a great champion for good, but since we are most likely not having a another series of Buffy, then we do not have time for this. A self-scaraficing death is a quick, clean way to instsant redemption.
"then getting his soul ultimately served in nothing. Because Spike was willing to die to save the world for Buffy BEFORE the soul anyway."
Yes, but I want him to die saving the world for Everyone, not just Buffy. Its a less selfish death that way. I think the soul makes that possible, where chipped Spike would only save the world for Buffy, souled spike will do it because it is the right thing to do.
Besides the fustration felt by coming so far and then lossing it all, well thats what great tradgy is all about! (I am a lover of tradgy. I guess it is a side effect of being unfairly branded a clincial Depressive)). Spikes sacrafice means more if he has made the "breakthrough", because otherwise he is not really throwing that much a way! He has to give up a chance to be happy with Buffy for a scarfical death to mean something (And without a soul, they didn't really have much hope did they? Well i didn't think so but I reckon i could be presuaded otherwise).
I don't see Buffy and Spike in terms of a fairey tale, but I do see the whole show in terms of a mythic cycle. I don't think that killing Spike detracts from what he and Buffy have now, have had or even what they might have togther (errgh I can't believe I wrote that). It is just a way to tie up what will otherwise become a loss end. And I think we can do a fitting, non-fairey tale, tragic lovestory ending if needed.
Incidently, I don't think you have to worry, because I think Spike is going to make it through the series, one way or another. No real reason, just a feeling I get.
Oh and on another note, I keep thinking. All those prophecies about Angel becoming human etc. well I guess since Spike also has a soul, they might be refering to him, not the alll-consuming-broody-one. Maybe Spike will become Human at the end of the series! (errm..maybe not)
Re: Another way to look at it…
Date: 2003-01-27 04:35 pm (UTC)Now there's a question that's been on the tongues of nearly every BtVS fasn who also watches AtS. You can even find fanfics about it.