This is the most offensive, replusive, dehumanizing, mysoginistic, depraved, ugly thing I've seen in months. I want someone to stand up and say "This shit should be illegal."
Oh yes, I completely agree about the money issue. I also agree there's some difference (to various degrees depending on the specific woman involved in either scenario), but not very much of one.
Both requires a woman to completely throw her sense of self respect out the window. A lot of the women who appear on Howard Stern, allowing him and other men appearing on the show to critique their bodies, make fun of them, throw food items at them, and whatever else, do so because they hope (unrealistically) to gain some sort of fame from it. Thus, making their fortunes. Some have porn websites, others are wannabe actresses, etc. Some even think that they'll somehow get to hook up with a celebrity. Though they are two different things, the intense desire for fame and the intense desire for wealth are very much within the same family. And not something you should sell your soul (or self respect) for.
I realize that some of these women may be in desperate financial situations where they perceive this to be the "only way out." But surely not all of them. It was the rest that I was comparing to some of the more desperate women of the Howard Stern show. I mean, I don't think a lot of them (after it's over) would want to brag and say "I did that." Especially the ones that leave crying.
Isn't the best thing to do for human female dignity and indeed human dignity as a whole, to work on creating a society where by no women will ever be economically coerced into selling herslef in the degrading manner you describe on this radio show (We don't get Howard Stern where I am so this all new to me) and the business mentioned above?
But what if we did this, and some people still chose to do these things (just hypothetically). Would we as a society have the right to stop them because there actions demane not just themseves but all women? Or would there own personal liberty to do as they pleased overide that?
If there's not money in it, like there wouldn't be for guest starring on a Howard Stern episode, it's a novelty thing. People would still do it. Allowing it to be a legitimate business is the disgusting part. Not to mention, unsafe.
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Date: 2003-07-13 12:45 am (UTC)Both requires a woman to completely throw her sense of self respect out the window. A lot of the women who appear on Howard Stern, allowing him and other men appearing on the show to critique their bodies, make fun of them, throw food items at them, and whatever else, do so because they hope (unrealistically) to gain some sort of fame from it. Thus, making their fortunes. Some have porn websites, others are wannabe actresses, etc. Some even think that they'll somehow get to hook up with a celebrity. Though they are two different things, the intense desire for fame and the intense desire for wealth are very much within the same family. And not something you should sell your soul (or self respect) for.
I realize that some of these women may be in desperate financial situations where they perceive this to be the "only way out." But surely not all of them. It was the rest that I was comparing to some of the more desperate women of the Howard Stern show. I mean, I don't think a lot of them (after it's over) would want to brag and say "I did that." Especially the ones that leave crying.
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Date: 2003-07-13 04:09 am (UTC)Isn't the best thing to do for human female dignity and indeed human dignity as a whole, to work on creating a society where by no women will ever be economically coerced into selling herslef in the degrading manner you describe on this radio show (We don't get Howard Stern where I am so this all new to me) and the business mentioned above?
But what if we did this, and some people still chose to do these things (just hypothetically). Would we as a society have the right to stop them because there actions demane not just themseves but all women? Or would there own personal liberty to do as they pleased overide that?
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Date: 2003-07-13 12:39 pm (UTC)