This is the most offensive, replusive, dehumanizing, mysoginistic, depraved, ugly thing I've seen in months. I want someone to stand up and say "This shit should be illegal."
Ah, but this isn't about sex. It's not something you do to get sexual gratification. The a=rticle said it: It's about hunting. The naked part is just for titillation. You think these guys get a special "wank off room" afterward they're expected to visit? Hardly. The nakedness probably gets some of the guys aroused, and some jerk might go whack off in the bathroom, but it's the violence of the hunting game that is abhorrent. And the objectification-- that occurs once with the hunt itself, again with the nudity, and three times by it being only one gender vitimized.
When I mentioned relationships between consenting adults, I actually meant any kind of relationship, econmoic or totherwise. I am sorry, that wasn't very clear was it? (having said that much research links outbursts of mysognistic violence to sexual activities so I guess I find it hard to believe there isn't a underlying sexal element for the weirdo's that do this)
I am just concerned that the moral authority for banning this is unsound, that IF (and that is a big IF when economic's are involved. Doing it because it is that or starve is hardly a choice )the woman have chosen to take part, then we shouldn't restrict that "freedom". Though I accept that perhaps no one should be allowed to make money of this.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, mrthursday. For one thing, I believe it really is as much sexual as it is aggressive, violent, or recreational. If it wasn't sexual, they would be hunting men - grown-up, strong men - men who are at least as strong as fast as they are. Conquering a member of the top of the food chain would seem to me to be the ultimate victory. Oh, wait: that would mean they'd be playing regular game of paintball.
No, you don't get involved in a scenario like that because you're bored with photo safaris or hunting caribou. You do it for the male comraderie, and for the pleasure it brings you to see naked, scratched up, sunburned, exhausted women whom you hope to have "branded" with your paint. I have no difficulty in believing that if the woman was in tears because the paintball hurt, that would heighten these men's pleasure. Wank rooms afterwards? My guess is that some of them probably jerk off during. I'm sure some of them do have graphic fantasies about literally killing these "bitches". But any random guy on the street could be having those same fantasies.
It's sexualized violence. But as I've said elsewhere, unless these women have been tricked into this, or are underage, not mentally competent, or drugged, I must expect that they have chosen to do this. The article mentions that one of the women has done it seven times. I refuse to infantilize grown women. Both women and men are 100% human, and that means each is capable of both depravity and transcendent selflessness.
I hate this whole business, but I don't see any grounds for trying to get it declared illegal. If any participants aren't involved willingly, there are already statutes on the books about that. Assuming they have made a conscious choice, I see no reason to intervene on the grounds that it is hurting them. Hell, modelling isn't "safe" - pointy toe stilettos?
This is not the same thing as the "sex tours" in the Philippines or Thailand, where foreign men sign up for the opportunity of having sex with 10 year old girls and boys. It's not even the same as some segments of the mail order foreign bride industry.
You know what? I really need $1,000 right now. $2,500 would be something to sing about. But I would never, ever do something like this "Bambi" hunt. Never. I'd sooner stalk one of these smarmy big spenders and steal his money at gunpoint.
Hmm. Maybe we could get Disney to sue them for misusing the name "Bambi"....
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Re: Ok...here's where I get contraversal...
Date: 2003-07-13 12:49 pm (UTC)Re: Ok...here's where I get contraversal...
Date: 2003-07-13 12:57 pm (UTC)(having said that much research links outbursts of mysognistic violence to sexual activities so I guess I find it hard to believe there isn't a underlying sexal element for the weirdo's that do this)
I am just concerned that the moral authority for banning this is unsound, that IF (and that is a big IF when economic's are involved. Doing it because it is that or starve is hardly a choice )the woman have chosen to take part, then we shouldn't restrict that "freedom".
Though I accept that perhaps no one should be allowed to make money of this.
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Date: 2003-07-13 05:15 pm (UTC)No, you don't get involved in a scenario like that because you're bored with photo safaris or hunting caribou. You do it for the male comraderie, and for the pleasure it brings you to see naked, scratched up, sunburned, exhausted women whom you hope to have "branded" with your paint. I have no difficulty in believing that if the woman was in tears because the paintball hurt, that would heighten these men's pleasure. Wank rooms afterwards? My guess is that some of them probably jerk off during. I'm sure some of them do have graphic fantasies about literally killing these "bitches". But any random guy on the street could be having those same fantasies.
It's sexualized violence. But as I've said elsewhere, unless these women have been tricked into this, or are underage, not mentally competent, or drugged, I must expect that they have chosen to do this. The article mentions that one of the women has done it seven times. I refuse to infantilize grown women. Both women and men are 100% human, and that means each is capable of both depravity and transcendent selflessness.
I hate this whole business, but I don't see any grounds for trying to get it declared illegal. If any participants aren't involved willingly, there are already statutes on the books about that. Assuming they have made a conscious choice, I see no reason to intervene on the grounds that it is hurting them. Hell, modelling isn't "safe" - pointy toe stilettos?
This is not the same thing as the "sex tours" in the Philippines or Thailand, where foreign men sign up for the opportunity of having sex with 10 year old girls and boys. It's not even the same as some segments of the mail order foreign bride industry.
You know what? I really need $1,000 right now. $2,500 would be something to sing about. But I would never, ever do something like this "Bambi" hunt. Never. I'd sooner stalk one of these smarmy big spenders and steal his money at gunpoint.
Hmm. Maybe we could get Disney to sue them for misusing the name "Bambi"....
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Date: 2003-07-14 11:21 am (UTC)Well it's nice to get some back up. I was begining to feel like a lone voice!
Yeah set the mouse on them, that will sort 'em out!