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WHY? WHY? Why is that necessary?

*Warning: loss of soul or heart attack is not my responsibility.

EDIT: It's like some sick masochistic urge. I keep going back to the link, watching for a few seconds, then shrieking like a ten year old girl and exiting out the window in a hurry. Make it go AWAY! It's too horrible.

EDIT 2: I wish my parents weren't visiting relatives in Northern California right now. I think I need a hug. From my mom.

Current Mood: I need my soul back please.

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From:

rashaka.livejournal.com

The fact that he thought he had the right, or the necessity, to make the that choice for his entire species as well is... hm, interesting.

That's what I was trying to get at! There's an arrogance in Nine that says he's decided he did have the right or necessity to decide for his whole race... but he wasn't the one who actually did it, so it Eight must have had that arrogance too.

For the Doctor's sake, I truly hope that it was the case that Gallifrey would have had to die anyway in the long run. That at least absolves him a little of hastening the process.

From:

mswyrr

There's an arrogance in Nine that says he's decided he did have the right or necessity to decide for his whole race... but he wasn't the one who actually did it, so it Eight must have had that arrogance too.

Actually, I think that arrogance has been there from the beginning. He simply wasn't in a situation to make the choice before the Time War. Arrogance seems to be his most Gallifreyan trait apart from his brains -- the presumption that they know what's best for the universe, and that they therein have the right to decide for everyone, is quite ingrained in their culture. In that sense, he is a product of his society, even if he disagreed with their isolationist tendencies in interference.

They do presume to call themselves the Lords of Time, after all. Can you imagine? Claiming supreme dominion over an essential part of the entire universe. And then putting restrictions on its use, and enforcing them simply because they could, because they believed that they knew best, or that their power justified its use.

It's kind of interesting, actually. Does having the power to do something give one the right? and all that.

From:

mswyrr

And of course, they do have some justification in saying that they made themselves the lords of time because they *had* to, because nobody else would, and if time were messed with too much, the entire universe could be destroyed. But that's the Doctor's justification, too, isn't it? He has the right to make these supremely arrogant decisions because they *must* be made, and he's the only one in the position to make them.

From:

mswyrr

I so totally want to write a fic where Rose finds herself with power, and has to work out whether that gives her the right. And explore Nine's reactions to that.

From:

rashaka.livejournal.com

I think that arrogance has been there from the beginning. He simply wasn't in a situation to make the choice before the Time War.

But didn't you say that he was faced with the decision before with the Daleks and thought he didn't have the right to commit genocide?

Arrogance seems to be his most Gallifreyan trait apart from his brains -- the presumption that they know what's best for the universe, and that they therein have the right to decide for everyone, is quite ingrained in their culture. In that sense, he is a product of his society, even if he disagreed with their isolationist tendencies in interference.

Definitely.

From:

mswyrr

But didn't you say that he was faced with the decision before with the Daleks and thought he didn't have the right to commit genocide?

Point. *contemplates* So what makes the two situations different? Well, in Genesis of The Daleks, it wasn't a decision between allowing the universe to be destroyed or committing genocide. It was a choice between leaving the future alone, or stepping in to change it. And the future, as he knew it, wasn't so bad. The Daleks were manageable, as far as he could see.

He even tells Sarah, when she calls him on flinching from his purpose, that peace treaties and alliances have been formed between species that otherwise might have fought each other, because of Dalek aggression.

So, the existence of the universe had to hang in the balance for him to go as far as he did later.

From:

mswyrr

...there's also the fact that Four changes his mind later, and goes back to blow them all to smithereens, but he ends up being stopped by circumstance... and later says something to justify his original choice. It's wonky. It read like the story/writer dithering about whether they really wanted to make the Doctor culpable for something like that. Because of the use of deux ex machina at the very end, I count his first decision as the "real" decision.

...perhaps I shouldn't, though.