Veronica Mars 2x15

[timepiececlock]

Wallace's Girlfriend: "Guess you never know where true love's going to find you."
Veronica Mars: "If it comes looking for me, I'll be buy the expresso machine."
Logan:**walks in and meets Veronica at the expresso machine** "Hey."
me: *laughs a bundle*

I don't know if the writers were making an ironic joke there or being prophetic, but...dude... icon!

Also, whoa to Logan/Hannah. I can't figure out if he likes her or not. I think he does-- he may or may not be in love with her, but he at least likes her enough as a person that he realises he's "done something horrible."

I don't see how Veronica's gonna be of any help to him though. What's she supposed to do, comfort Hannah while she cries?


....my shipping tendencies in this fandom are weird. I can go weeks or months without thinking too hard about my OTP, and thoroughly enjoy Logan/Hannah, and even hope that Veronica can find someone who really suits her who isn't crazy or the son of a crazy person, and I won't read fanfic for ages.

And then ONE little portenty bit of ironic dialouge happens and canon and I'm like OMG IT'S MY BIRTHDAY AGAIN! YAY SHIP!

I think this means I truly am a Veronica/Logan shipper at heart, and letting yourself forget doesn't make it go away at all. Also? Am a canon whore.


The good thing about watching an episode this late is that presumably there's another one on tv in two days!

The sucky part is that I missed everyone else's episode commentary.

Comments

[mswyrr]

There's talk on TWoP that he might have been referring to one of the tons of other horrible things he's done. Like, erasing the tapes. Does V know about that yet? Does Logan know she knows? Has it finally hit him that Aaron could escape conviction because of his dramatic gesture?

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

That's an interesting theory, and it would fit with the pattern of the show's writing-- meaning giving you something else from what you presume would normally be next.

I don't understand how it would get Aaron off, though. I mean, shouldn't he still be in jail for kidnapping and attempted murder of Veronica? And the subsequent fight with Keith? Also, didn't several police people see those tapes besides just Veronica and Duncan?

And speaking of that... how the hell can Logan be on trial twice? I thought he was aquitted? This has been bugging me all season.

[sarah-p.livejournal.com]

Butting in!

If you listen carefully in 2x01, VM voiceover tells us that the case was dropped due to lack of evidence. So this is the first time Logan is going to trial.

:)

[sarah-p.livejournal.com]

Exact lines: The DA decided he didn't have enough evidence to convict, so six weeks after he was arrested, Logan walked.
and, later in the episode, After the DA decided not to press charges against Logan, Neptune became a different place.

[mswyrr]

I don't understand how it would get Aaron off, though. I mean, shouldn't he still be in jail for kidnapping and attempted murder of Veronica? And the subsequent fight with Keith? Also, didn't several police people see those tapes besides just Veronica and Duncan?

Assault charges, even attempted murder charges, are easier to get around than a solid murder conviction. And the sentencing can be lenient. Also, Aaron's lawyers could make it a she said/he said thing, and then make Veronica and Keith look unreliable/nuts/whatever. Aaron could claim that Veronica & Keith were, oh, stalking him or something, something, yaddayaddayaddacharacterassassinationcakes, you know what people are like when you're a star and they want to make lots of money from a tell all book/get their job as sheriff reinstated, etc.

Physical evidence is so much better.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

Nnnyyyaahhhh.... they would have to work REALLY hard to sell me on that one. What you just said isn't enough to convince me that he'd get off, not with how crazy-violent he was at the end there in front of so many witnesses, and the physical evidence on the scene of the climactic struggle. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but I don't see how they could. They'd have to have some really great way to get around that, or it'll just look stupid.

[mswyrr]

I can see what you're saying. I just think his lawyers have an awful lot to work with.

[mswyrr]

Eeek, left a stence out: the lawyers could make a lot of the the various witness interpretations of the sex tapes, and then dance around about whether having sex with a minor(who they'd portray as very wordly wise, totally consenting, and even possibly as a slut if it would make their case look better) proves he killed her, are all kinda ...loop-holey, too.

All he needs is reasonable doubt. And, I mean, Californian jurors let O.J. off. I don't trust them to use their brains, really.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

Speaking of the California justice system...now that I've actually *lived* in Irvine/Newport Beach for over a year... wow the Sherriff's dept. is scary. And corrupt. And scary. I never want to get arrested here. Ever.

[mswyrr]

Whoa. Really? What have you seen?

I know a certain minister in a certain small California town who was very close with the sheriff's. Someone tried to make known that he was putting church funds into buying property in his wife's name, and that somebody ended up getting a couple cracked ribbs after he was pulled over for a making an unlawful U-turn.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

I've read a lot of news stuff. Severe police brutality on people brought in on light charges. Corruption involving cops and a local strip joint in a case that ended up with a witness who might have been murdered. One of the DAs did something really skeevy and evil that I can't remember off the top of my head. Mostly lots of stuff about extreme brutality in the county jailhouse.

I only mention it because the fictional town of Neptune appears to be either Newport Beach or something very close to Newport. I'm not sure if Newport Beach is incorporated though-- I know Irvine is.

[mswyrr]

Hmm. That is interesting. I hadn't thought of VM as a direct indictment of a particular place. I'd imagined it was more general.

When I think of how true it is that scary white guys (mayor, cheif of police, sheriff, rich minister, important business men) run most things, it's really unsettling.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be Orange County. I think they've said that. And OC isn't that big. Only so many parts of it touch the water. It's not supposed to be a *particular* place, but Neptune being in OC or near it, it's hard not to look around and say "yeah..." The attitude is weird here-- weird. Superficial in a way that I don't even know really how to qualify. I grew up in the Bay Area, and it's just something... the people are different here. Maybe not deep down inside, but on the surface, it's weird. The OC culture mindset is prevalent.

[sarah-p.livejournal.com]

Logan:**walks in and meets Veronica at the expresso machine** "Hey."

Ahh, that was so, so good. I'm going with prophetic, but don't quote me on that ;).

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

:laugh: Me too. Totally prophetic. I was watching and my brain was just barely thinking about considering starting to imagine "Hey wh--" and then before my brain could actually construct a full thought it actually HAPPENED. And then my brain died from squee.


Case dropped. Gotchya.

But, skipping subjects, what about the fact that all the cops arrived and arrested Aaron on the scene where Veronica was locked in a fridge and everything was burning? Clearly he'd be in prison for the attacks on Veronica and Keith, wouldn't he?

[sarah-p.livejournal.com]

And for assaulting that dude who lived in the house. I'm not quite sure WHERE they're going on that front. I mean, yeah, murder is going to get you a longer sentence, but there are a bunch of witnesses to Aaron's craziness...

I guess he could the route of what he told Logan in 2x06, when he was all "I just LOST it" and claim temporary insanity or duress or something, but it seems far-fetched. The man has to get convicted for SOMETHING, or else the jurors in Neptune are truly, truly stupid. Or starstruck. He could be banking on his performance as an actor...and I guess discrediting the Mars' as character witnesses wouldn't be too hard. Heck, LAMB would back Aaron up ;).

[http://users.livejournal.com/_jems_/]

I'm not really into the whole True Love thing, I thought it was ridiculous when I applied to V/D and I think it's pretty ridiculous here. But it still made me extremely happy because at least it gives us some indication that despite their less-than-nice interaction this season, there is still something there, so yay!

As for Logan's "horrible thing", at first I thought it had to be something else, but I've started coming around to the idea that it may be about Hannah. I just think it's kinda out of character for him to go to Veronica with a problem like that. Weird, even.

I liked the idea of it having something to do with the tapes, because before this episode he might not have known Aaron's plan to blame it all on Duncan. Before Duncan took off and made himself a criminal he could have refuted the charges, but now he's at least a possible suspect, and I think that would be enough for reasonable doubt. As for the assault and attempted murder charges, I can see Aaron getting off, blaming it on heightened emotions, saying Keith and Veronica (whose lives improved a lot after he was caught) are lying or exaggerating. The tapes are basically the only clear-cut evidence they had against him, and his lawyers may be able to prevent testimony about them because they were never privy to them and the chain-of-custody was tainted. Or something. I know nothing about the law. *g*