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For Buffy or Spuffy fans, I reccomend this essay by Ariana:
The 'Seeing Red' bathroom scene:
Why ME went there, gender relations in the Buffyverse, and the future of Buffy/Spike

It pinpointed & discussed a lot of my personal confusion over the SR scene: like why the hell Spike suddenly became the sexual aggressor in the relationship, and why the hell I'm suddenly seeing the "superman strong" heroine portrayed as a victim helpless against man in a sexual attack. You know, inconsistencies like that. In this nicely thorough essay Ariana proposes theories on what the symbolic/metaphoric/thematic importances of the scene were, and tries to find a way to look at so that it makes sense with the previous canon/characters.

Comments

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

It's thoughtful and well written.

And it still makes me horrified and nauseous that any female would be rooting for "love" between these two.

big. fucking. deal.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

Yeah, well.

:shrug:

Tough luck. If my LJ makes you so nauseous, you don't have to follow the links that include "spuffy" in the description, read them, and then proceed to comment.

Jeez. I think your journal's interesting and that's why I put you on my friend's list, but I didn't demand you put yourself on mine and if every other comment you make on mine is gonna be "Buffy and Spike is stupid and gross and makes no logical sense" then don't bother. I like reasonable discussion, and I don't mind that you prefer B/A---in fact I like the added perspective because most of the online people I talk with prefer B/S-- but feel free to restrain yourself from constantly reminding of how sick my opinions make you. Whining to someone that you already know disagrees with you is a waste of both our times.

I like B/S. I talk about B/S. Most of the users on my LJ list also like B/S, and like to talk about it. Get over it. This doesn't have to be a problem, but its starting to get annoying pretty damn fast. Use your own LJ to rant about how much you don't like the Buffy/Spike ship-- I promise I won't send you comments on how stupid your opinions are, or say you're a bad example of women for thinking as you do. And its that part that's pissed me off. You don't know me, or anything about me except the small amount of life I choose to share on livejournal, and as I don't even have any proof of your gender (or for that matter your age & maturity) except your word, I can't see how you have any right to judge me or my opinions as a female, much less as a female fan. I don't want to get into dumb arguments over whose shipper fandom is better, and I'm not going to censor my LJ to take into account *your* tastes. I don't flame wars. If you can't be tactful in your commentary on someone *else's* LJ, then don't bother talking at all, because believe I'LL stop in a heartbeat, and not think about it again.

--- On a completely separate note ((and damn it, this completely ruins the emotional impact of my previous paragraphs)) I offer my condolences about your pet. My first dog was put to sleep when I was so young--- I can't imagine what it'd be like to lose the one I've had now for 12 years.

Re: big. fucking. deal.

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

Thank you for the condolences about Bubba. It's much appreciated.

This doesn't have anything to do with shipper wars- well, at least not for me. I'm sure it does for some fans (and before this gets misread, I don't mean *you* in particular). What it has to do with (for me- female, 34 yo, married, one kid, a few pets) is that someone is now using a *rape scene* (the poster you link to doesn't even deny it was a rape scene, others do, that's a whole nother argument, but she even *calls* it a rape scene and says how empotional it is) to champion the possibility of the two characters involved ending up in love. I...that is just completely beyond my ken.

I don't know her from Adam, so posting in her LJ would have been insane. You linked, I commented. It was an emotional reaction- and it was labeled as such. I said how *I felt*. Strongly, yea, but it was clearly a statement of emotion. At no point did I flame or insult anyone else. I mean, you *read* my LJ. You KNOW I can be a bitch if I wanna be. That was not me be being a bitch. That was me being horrified. I wasn't using that as an expression or a metaphor for something else, I was horrified and I was being honest about it. I don't get how someone can go from "here we see the heroine being raped" (again, she did say she saw a rape scene) to "this season, we will see her in love with her attempted rapist". Man, it wasn't cool 15 years ago on General Hospital (old GH fan here, showing my age) and it isn't cool *now.*

I'm sorry you got angry/hurt/upset or felt put upon by my reply. Who you choose to keep on your list is certainly not for me to decide. I enjoy your comments and posts, on your LJ and my own, even when we disagree and you write things like "nyah nyah nyah" (I think that was you??)and that's why I put you on my list. Other than that, I dunno what else to say.

Thanks!

[(Anonymous)]

For reminding me of the BAPS site and pointing out that essay -- it is really quite fantastic, as are many of the essays on that site!

Claudia

Re: Thanks!

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

You're welcome. I got it off someone else's rec at the Crumbling Walls forum.