::sings:: "This shit. Is bananas!"

[timepiececlock]

I know everyone and their sister knows about this by now, but... DUDE...



BEST.

WANK.

EVER.


The absolute bestest best.


One fic writer has the stupidity and audacity to ask for payment for fanfiction... and all of tv ficdom jumps on her throat.

That's solidarity, my friends. Who knew this is what it would take to make us all agree on something?

Though we be different, though we have wars great and small, though we ridicule one another and make stupid icons about it, when one of us decides to leave the coven betray the pack turn away from the teachings of all fic traditions lose sight of the mission make money off illegal copywrited property...

...We are as one.

::sings:: WE! ARE! FAMILY!

And as they say in Gungrave and the Godfather films... you don't. betray. the. family.







BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA!

Um. Ahem. I'll be over here. In the corner. Laughing for about FIVE years.

EDIT: on a more personal note-- well, acutally, I don't have a personal note. I didn't know cousinjean, though I do remember thinking her fic was pretty enjoyable and it's entirely probable I might have exchanged LJ comments with her at some point when I was more active in BTVS fandom. I don't think she's a bad person, but this is one instance where I am going to take all the pleasure possible and laugh at someone's pain. And fandom's pain. And all the pain. Because today I am just that shallow, and this is just that funny, and I thank my lucky stars I don't put that much emotional stock into much of ANYTHING I do online, because if I did, I'd have to take this all seriously.

In the end, we will all float on.

In the rain gutter. With Pennywise the Clown.

Goodnight!

Comments

[spicedrum.livejournal.com]

In the end, we will all float on.

In the rain gutter. With Pennywise the Clown.

I HATE YOU!

signed,
never going back to sleep again

little paper boat! AAAAHHH!!!

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry!

As much as I love the song, ever time I hear it I also think of IT and "We all float down here. You'll float with us."

Re: little paper boat! AAAAHHH!!!

[spicedrum.livejournal.com]

I CRIED WHEN GEORGIE (that was his name, right?) DIED IN THE BOOK. (I hate it when bad things happen to kids in books and movies.)

Re: little paper boat! AAAAHHH!!!

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

that was his name. I remember it was the FIRST chapter. It was the friggin OPENING of the book. And I almost threw it aside and gave up just from that. Nothing else in the book was as horrible as the first chapter.

Re: little paper boat! AAAAHHH!!!

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

Hey, I don't remember if I've asked you this before, but do you watch anime?

Re: little paper boat! AAAAHHH!!!

[spicedrum.livejournal.com]

I don't. I have in the past - My college roommate and I used to go to the anime group's periodic all-day marathons and catch stuff, and we'd rent what was limitedly available back then (i feel like such an old geezer), but I've never been into it hardcore where I know different series or can keep characters straight and such.

the things I remember watching: I found Akira boring, and I love the original Vampire Hunter D., Bubblegum Crisis was amusing, Vampire Princess Miyu was cute. I'm not sure if it's considered "real anime" because it was released as a US feature film (I have no idea what your fandom definitions are over thattaway *g*), but I love Princess Mononoke.

[tastylilgifty.livejournal.com]

It's good that you know you're shallow. Today.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

Why hello. Who might you be?

[tastylilgifty.livejournal.com]

Huh. I completely unsarcasticallygive you credit for not yelling at me right away. I would've yelled at me.

I just happened by this, and as posts like yours and others have brought tears to my eyes today, I got angry.

Name's Amanda, bytheby.

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

Huh. I completely unsarcasticallygive you credit for not yelling at me right away.

I thought about being snippy, but really, this is my journal and if it's a problem I can always delete or ban you from it, and you don't know me enough anyway to really understand the shallow joke or for me to take offense at you calling me it, so what do I care?

Well, hello Amanda. I don't promise to be civil every day of the week, and having followed your link to your LJ I can say I disagree with you on this whole issue and that plus your previous comment isn't really endearing me to you, but if that's the extent of your desire to take out your frustration on others and as long as you're not snippy to the other commentors on my journal, I'm not going to yell at you. I left this post public and that means varying opinions will arise.

apropos of nothing, really

[spicedrum.livejournal.com]

I am currently on (very sloooow) dialup, but maybe at a later date? I'd be totally interested if I ever get a fast connection.

/vague

Re: apropos of nothing, really

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

Oui. Dial up, it's a killer.

But if you ever get a better connection, just apply and I'll approve.

[arafel.livejournal.com]

When you're down here with us, you'll float too!

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

And I'll say to that what I said to spicedrum:

LITTLE PAPER BOAT!

[arafel.livejournal.com]

Balloons, all colors!

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

down by the canals

[zebeckras.livejournal.com]

I am in love with this wank, myself. Honestly, the part that separated it for me from general "oooh, I could make MONEY from this! Why not?" wank was the fact that she's unthinkingly screwing not one, not five, but TWELVE other fanfic authors, even pretending that it *doesn't* involve the rest of fandom and the legality of fanfiction. Shove that aside and it just becomes about "other people might've helped, but this series really belongs to ME, so all money comes here, baby!"

In all honesty, I was never truly worried about lawyers and lawsuits. I just thought it was selfish. And I did laugh - couldn't help it. From the start, she was asking for money so that she could write all she wanted to without having to support herself. While she lives with her mother. And works part-time. My heart *bleeds*. When the phrase used is "Give me enough money so that I don't have to work for a year", I'm sorry, but you get no love.

[ciardhapagan.livejournal.com]

Actually it hasn't "united fandom". you might want to look at my post and ginmar's post to start with.

And I'm going have to sadly conclude this post of yours has made me decide to defriend you. I don't like bullying behavior nor gleeful cheering on of bullying behavior. CJ made a mistake, a rather naive and illadvised one, but it was just a mistake. Some people are acting as if she was a serial killer of children.

I also find the "moral outrage" over her potentally problematical appeal for donations rather questionable from people who are illegally using TV, anime and other icons, illegally downloading shows, etc... from the internet. As one of my teachers told me many years ago- "Point a finger at someone and three are pointing right back at you."

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

I think you'll find I neither compared her to something as evil as killing children nor have I expressed moral outrage over her actions. Primarily my post above is about the reaction to CJ, not CJ herself. Yes, I said "stupidity and audacity", because I do feel it was both, but so far that's the extent of my feelings regarding her request.

I meant "united" in so far as that a lot of people from varying different groups had a similar reaction, and the feeling/sentiment at the basis of most of the reactions seems to be the same no matter the source: negative reaction to the request for money, and apprehension over the precedent it might set (actually, that's something that hasn't really bothered me that much because I didn't think that even if she took and kept the money that it'd spark the kind of apocalyptic stuff some people are worried about.)

I have read both of those posts, though I didn't finish reading ginmar's-- I stopped due to a time constraint and haven't gotten around to going back and finishing it. I thought about commenting on yours, mostly to say that I respect your frustration with the magnitude of the negative reaction she's gotten, and that I appreciate your frustration in regard to this part--

just the sort of thing I railed against that bullying when it was directed at me for expressing a PERSONAL moral disgust in my OWN live journal over a issue that is triggering for me.

-- simply because I appreciate it when people use their journal for frustrations and don't take it out on other people's journals, and likewise I am saddened when expressing an opinion on a personal journal is treated as if it were expressed in a shared community. (Although the nature of ginmar's journalling style is different from the norm in the respect that it almost creates a community in and of itself, because she encourages reader response, actively participates in debate, and allows commenting by people she doesn't know even when she realizes that her opinions are regarded by some as something to argue with. She has, intentionally or otherwise, created her journal to be one that encourages a community of responses. By now she must expect the reactions she will get, neg and pos, because she's gone through a lot of it before. I both admire and am sometimes amazed by her capacity to take it all in and not just lock her entire LJ. Most of the rest of us aren't subjected to that kind of regular scrutiny.) I believe that you have no obligation or duty to anyone's thoughts and opinions on your journal than your own. This is also why I decided to post my feelings here as opposed to a community ((feelings which are still primarily amusement, because I have a significant enough distance from the person at the center that I don't feel the pull of loyalty there, and because I don't really agree with what she did [although mostly I don't care because I wasn't a co-author] I don't feel like I should defend her honor on the good-intentioned principal of what she tried to do either.))

I realize that in your opinion my being amused by this belittles the hurt feelings of the parties involved, primarily CJ, and that you don't approve of the collective smackdown behavior that fandom and f_w propogates or the laughing that comes along with it.



The next part is something a lot of people probably won't agree with, but I've decided this gradually over a period of years using the internet, and it's how I feel: The internet (and the feelings of those on the internet) can only hurt you as much as you allow it to. Yes, it is a real community with real social relationships-- hence why I am somewhat sad that you're defriending me over this-- but at the same time, you get what you give.

second half

[rashaka.livejournal.com]

I've thought long and hard about f_w before and the kind of bullying you describe in your journal entry. In some cases I find it to be grossly unfair, in others (usually proportional to the sparking incident) well-deserved. Each situation is different. However, I have long ago decided that for me, the internet is a playground. If I can't laugh at it, at myself, and at everyone else, then I will lose my sense of distance between online relationships and RL relationships. I don't put a lot of emotional stock in the internet. And when other people do, and when internet collectively bites their asses for doing so, I choose to a comedy rather than a tragedy. Yes, there are certain online relationships I've established that I would be hurt if they were betrayed, or subjected to public humilitation, or broken. But even for that, I try to keep a sort of distance. After the first internet arguement I was involved in, or close to it, I decided that I can't put emotional stock in what people say onine, and doing so is a fool's errand that has a high risk of making me very unhappy. So I personally care about only things and people that I feel sure about.

CJ put a lot of emotion into her fic audience. And when some disagreed, she continued to put more in, instead of stepping back and saying "Hey, you know what? It's just the internet."

Eventually she has done that, it seems. Which is probably a very good thing for her.


If you take the internet seriously, you are setting yourself for that kind of drama. I believe in stepping back, laughing at the irony, and letting it float on by me. When I'm in a conflict, I try to do the same with my own situation.

CJ has been online long enough to know that stuff can get personal and situations can snowball.

She's only getting as much heartbreak here as she's willing to let herself take in. You can't put your entire heart into relationships that are incomplete relationships. And that's what the internet is-- a series of incomplete relationships. Real, but not whole. And most of the time, that's not worth crying over. Yes, she might be "emotionally devastated" by this. But you know what? She doesn't have to be.

For her personal relationships that have been damaged by this-- any people she might have met in person and been friends with-- it's sad if she loses those. But I think my post would neither start, encourage, nor influence that, because your opinion of someone once you've met them in person is separate from how you saw them online before that point. That would be a result of their relationship with her, not driven by the collective fandom as a whole.